The Rebuild Finally Begins

[kingm56]

Wait Burns is only 26 and has plenty of tread on his tires.


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Exactly Andrew; a 26 year old edge can absolutely be considered part of a full rebuild; if all goes well, and the Giants get the QB right, they can be competitive in 2-years, which Burns will only be 28.  If they don't get the QB right, non of it matters anyway... 

[spiderblue43]

This may be the worst giants team to ever exist next year

Ha ha. You don't know anything. Calm yourself. Been plenty worse in my lifetime.

[EliWasrobbed]

Exactly Andrew; a 26 year old edge can absolutely be considered part of a full rebuild; if all goes well, and the Giants get the QB right, they can be competitive in 2-years, which Burns will only be 28.  If they don't get the QB right, non of it matters anyway... 

he absolutely is not when we GAVE UP a second rounder to get him and he is taking up so much of our cap space.

this is the move of a desperate power hungry man/GM who knows his ass is on the line if they don't win games next season. I have 100% confidence we are going QB seeing the Burns situation play out

[EliWasrobbed]

Ha ha. You don't know anything. Calm yourself. Been plenty worse in my lifetime.

i know plenty sir, no need to be a dick.

defensively after the Burns move we are much better.. BUT assuming we don't draft a QB, this will be potentially the worst offense of 21st century football even with our 2 oline additions. Save this post!

[spiderblue43]

i know plenty sir, no need to be a dick.

defensively after the Burns move we are much better.. BUT assuming we don't draft a QB, this will be potentially the worst offense of 21st century football even with our 2 oline additions. Save this post!

Okay, simply check the 64, 66 and 73 Giants..who were godawful. Hyperbole is  so grand.

[AYM]

i know plenty sir, no need to be a dick.

defensively after the Burns move we are much better.. BUT assuming we don't draft a QB, this will be potentially the worst offense of 21st century football even with our 2 oline additions. Save this post!

If we fix the offensive line, it will be a better offense even if Daniel Jones is still the QB.

[EliWasrobbed]

If we fix the offensive line, it will be a better offense even if Daniel Jones is still the QB.

fixing the oline does not make our running game any better without Saquon. This will easily be a bottom 5 run team especially without Jones's running being effective bc of injury.


unless they draft drake or daniels, this offense will be even worse than last year, no doubt in my mind.

[EliWasrobbed]

Okay, simply check the 64, 66 and 73 Giants..who were godawful. Hyperbole is  so grand.

I said "21st century"

the rules back then were also different

[Trench]

fixing the oline does not make our running game any better without Saquon. This will easily be a bottom 5 run team especially without Jones's running being effective bc of injury.


unless they draft drake or daniels, this offense will be even worse than last year, no doubt in my mind.

The RB we signed had close to the same amount of yards as Saquon as was previously stated so I fail to understand what is so bad

[EliWasrobbed]

The RB we signed had close to the same amount of yards as Saquon as was previously stated so I fail to understand what is so bad

remind me what team he was on?and who his QB was?

[Brooklyn Dave]

The elephant in the room , not literally , is Evan Neal and we will not know how he will be under our new OL coach. If he turns it around and becomes the OL that we had hoped for when we drafted him, and we add a number 1 WR in either Nabers or Odozone, we will not be Debbie Downers as some posters on this board have become.

[londonblue]

It is threads like this that make me wish we had an ignore button. Obstreperous opinion oft repeated becomes no more convincing.

Let us see where we are when camp starts. The roster today is not the roster tomorrow, let alone then.

[JT39]

Threads are becoming unreadable. Using the "f" word, making up things. Stating opinions as facts.

Tough to have a back and forth about this team the last few weeks...

[uconnjack8]

Will preface my post by saying that I am uncharacteristically pessimistic right now.  So apologies for raining on the optimism parade.

My first thought about this thread is that I cannot recall a "rebuild" ever starting with a spending spree on the 1st day of FA.  I realize there was only one big money contract and we haven't seen any of the contracts full details. 

Burns from what I have seen looks like a good pass rusher who is a average run defender and mediocre tackler.  The projection involved to make his contract in line with his performance feels to me just like the Olivier Vernon signing in 2016.  A young player who has pretty good numbers but is coming into his prime and will be better with the Giants than he was with his previous team.  Vernon wasn't bad, but I seem to recall people couldn't wait to get rid of his contract in a couple of years after he was signed. 

One of my biggest fears this offseason after the departure of Wink was that the Giants would now need to re-tool the defense to make the new system work.  A 2nd round pick for a very good pass rusher is not a big price, but when coupled with one of the biggest contracts ever given to a DE, that's a lot.  Hopefully Deonte Banks and most of the secondary are a scheme fit as well as the LBs (I doubt it though). 

Keep in mind this team now has over 50 million/year invested in two players on the DL.  With Thibodeaux added in with his rookie deal its over 60 million/year in 3 players on the DL.  I think the game is won and lost in the trenches, just have a hard time thinking its a good idea to invest 25% of the cap in 3 guys on the same unit.

The guards that were signed seemed to have good pass blocking ratings and much weaker run blocking ratings.  The money invested was not huge (especially when you look at other guards signed yesterday) and I think its nice to see a theme of trying to develop one thing the unit is good at.  One of the problems of the past is that there was a hodge podge of good zone blocker vs good man to man vs good in pass pro but not good in run blocking. Are either of these two guards thought to be much better than Glowinski was when he was signed?  I'll assume they both fit what the new OL coach wants.

These moves tell me the plan is to move forward with Jones and try to get him better blocking to pass the ball.  I am very much anticipating that a WR is drafted at #6 to give Jones a difference maker.  I would also expect the 2nd round to be used on offense considering the investment made on defense already.

My conclusion thus far is that Schoen spent money on day 1 of FA because he feels pressure to make immediate improvements not start a rebuild.  Jones will need to show he can really be a valuable pocket passer as he will no longer have the run game to lean on.  It will likely be used more like it has been in Buffalo. 

We'll see how the rest of the offseason goes and hopefully the moves they have made will be successful. 

[TDToomer]

It is threads like this that make me wish we had an ignore button. Obstreperous opinion oft repeated becomes no more convincing.

Let us see where we are when camp starts. The roster today is not the roster tomorrow, let alone then.

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