If we draft Rome.Odunze

[ralphpal1]

If we draft Rome Odunze as our number one WR
Does D Jones throw him the ball ?
He main thing is contested catches
And.we all.learn that D Jones does not throw contested catches

[Ed Vette]

If we draft Maye he can miss him by the side of a barn. If we draft JJ, he can bird dog him and get picked. Draft Williams and if Odunze drops a pass, and loses a game, he will climb into the stands and cry in his mommy's arms. Draft Daniels and he will throw the ball, then run past him and make the catch. Penix will pull a hammy and Nix will check down.

Maybe it's better to stay with the devil we know. No guarantees in life as a Giants fan.

[Jolly Blue Giant]

DJ will do what he's told. Two years ago, he was told, "you can't throw so many interceptions", and lo and behold, he had one of the least number of interceptions of any QB. Then last year, was going (supposed) to be, "throw to Waller", but the OL was worse, and he spent a lot of time running for his life...Waller got hurt...then DJ got hurt, and the Giants sucked

If DJ is healthy, he will do exactly what he's told to do and if we get Odunze, and he's told to throw at him, he will...providing he's not running for his life again and injuries piling up, as seems to be the nature of our team

[Jclayton92]

No he won't, even in 2022 he didn't throw the ball beyond 6-8 yards. So it's not like it was just 2023 when the line was bad, it happened in 2022 too. The devil we know refuses to throw deep and it's absurd. It's why people thought tyrod played so much better because he actually threw the ball deep when Jones wouldn't. It's why teams basically baited Jones to throw deep and made fun of him afterwards. They solved him period.

This same thing happened when we got Golladay, and Waller, we thought things would change but Jones can't read defenses well enough to throw the ball in tight spaces consistently.

Hyatt and Odunze will be completely wasted with Jones.

[killarich]

No he won't, even in 2022 he didn't throw the ball beyond 6-8 yards. So it's not like it was just 2023 when the line was bad, it happened in 2022 too. The devil we know refuses to throw deep and it's absurd. It's why people thought tyrod played so much better because he actually threw the ball deep when Jones wouldn't. It's why teams basically baited Jones to throw deep and made fun of him afterwards. They solved him period.

This same thing happened when we got Golladay, and Waller, we thought things would change but Jones can't read defenses well enough to throw the ball in tight spaces consistently.

Hyatt and Odunze will be completely wasted with Jones.

So Golladay is on Jones now ??

Waller is on Jones now ? Injury prone and obviously heart not all in it Waller is due to Jones ?

Yes Jones plays it too safe but to say Odunze will be wasted because of Jones is simply absurd

Can they be better with a better QB ? yes def

Was Hodgins wasted with Jones ? Or did he become a surprise pickup ??

And not many think Taylor did better than Jones... He just played different than Jones and too many they liked seeing something different. But Taylor was not good

[Jclayton92]

So Golladay is on Jones now ??

Waller is on Jones now ? Injury prone and obviously heart not all in it Waller is due to Jones ?

Yes Jones plays it too safe but to say Odunze will be wasted because of Jones is simply absurd

Can they be better with a better QB ? yes def

Was Hodgins wasted with Jones ? Or did he become a surprise pickup ??

And not many think Taylor did better than Jones... He just played different than Jones and too many they liked seeing something different. But Taylor was not good

They weren't all on Jones but to think Jones play had nothing to do with the downfall of both is kinda laughable. Golladay was a contested catch guy and Jones won't throw that ball, Waller stretches the field and Jones won't throw that ball. Same with Hyatt, he stretches teams vertically but Jones won't throw that ball. I've used the stat before but even in Jones best season 2022, he only threw the ball beyond 20 yards twice by Thanksgiving, that's ridiculous and a waste of the talent we have. Wandale stretched the field and was a yac guy in college along with Hyatt and as long as Jones is qb they will go to waste.

Hodgins had 300 yards, that wasn't a surprise. 300 yards is nothing.

[MightyGiants]

The "Daniel Jones doesn't throw contested passes" myth was created as a way to blame Daniel Jones for Kenny Galladay being signed to a big free-agent contract after injuries had robbed him of his speed.

The reality is that tight window throws are DJ's bread and butter (out of necessity most likely)


Daniel Jones On Short Passes, 2019-2022
data per Next Gen Stats

SEASON   TIGHT WINDOW%   RANK
2019   17.8%   1st
2020   16.7%   2nd
2021   14.7%   1st
2022   10.3%   10th

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/daniel-jones-breakout-playoffs-future-daboll-giants/

[Ed Vette]

The "Daniel Jones doesn't throw contested passes" myth was created as a way to blame Daniel Jones for Kenny Galladay being signed to a big free-agent contract after injuries had robbed him of his speed.

The reality is that tight window throws are DJ's bread and butter (out of necessity most likely)


Daniel Jones On Short Passes, 2019-2022
data per Next Gen Stats

SEASON    TIGHT WINDOW%    RANK
2019    17.8%    1st
2020    16.7%    2nd
2021    14.7%    1st
2022    10.3%    10th

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/daniel-jones-breakout-playoffs-future-daboll-giants/

Context.

[Ed Vette]

https://x.com/kayvonojulari/status/1779175338612027432?

[coggs]

If we draft Rome Odunze as our number one WR
Does D Jones throw him the ball ?
He main thing is contested catches
And.we all.learn that D Jones does not throw contested catches

he may have been told not to throw them the coaches may not have felt the wr's had the ability to win those 50/50 battles with most DB's.

[squibber]

Rome won't build up the Giants in a day.

[Painter]

Do we really not understand that unless Daniel Jones comes back healthy and has remarkable success this season, anything less in terms of cost/performance will ensure that he will not be the Giants QB, or on the roster in the future?

If so, do we- even the most biased of us- not recognize that Schoen & Co. must justify what is still owed to DJ in terms of both money and the best support they can give him re Oline pass protection, and improved WR skills whether with Ondunze, Nabers, or Harrison Jr.?

Whether they will draft a WR at 6 and thus join the Mock WAG consensus, or do otherwise in meeting with our approval, we will know in 12 days and probably no sooner.

Cheers!

[MightyGiants]

Do we really not understand that unless Daniel Jones comes back healthy and has remarkable success this season, anything less in terms of cost/performance will ensure that he will not be the Giants QB, or on the roster in the future?

If so, do we- even the most biased of us- not recognize that Schoen & Co. must justify what is still owed to DJ in terms of both money and the best support they can give him re Oline pass protection, and improved WR skills whether with Ondunze, Nabers, or Harrison Jr.?

Whether they will draft a WR at 6 and thus join the Mock WAG consensus, or do otherwise in meeting with our approval, we will know in 12 days and probably no sooner.

Cheers!

Larry,

Well said.   I will say, short of a prearranged trade-up option, not even the Giants know what they will do (no doubt they know their plans based on the possible scenarios), until the first five picks play out.

[Painter]

Fyi. Stats from 2023 season:


                  G  Rec  Yds  Avg  TD

Odunze      15  92  1640  17.8  13

Nabers      13  89  1569  17.6  14

Harrison    12  67  1211  18.1  14

Cheers!

[Philosophers]

Fyi. Stats from 2023 season:


                  G  Rec  Yds  Avg  TD

Odunze      15  92  1640  17.8  13

Nabers      13  89  1569  17.6  14

Harrison    12  67  1211  18.1  14

Cheers!

My question Larry about those stats for Nabers is that he played slot 50% of thr time.  How much production of his came from the slot vs X vs Z?  My gut tells me his slot production is disproportionately higher compared to X or Z.  If true, i think he is less of a fit given Robinson on the team.