Giants fans should be waking up happy this morning

[MightyGiants]

Giants made right move to get Daniel Jones the No. 1 WR he needs

Ralph Vacchiano


https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/giants-made-right-move-to-get-daniel-jones-the-no-1-wr-he-needs

[T200]

Team building is about increasing the team's overall talent level, ideally at key positions.  It's not about just one player, even QB.

How do you separate the talent from the player? As talented as Nabers is, he is still one player.

I'm onboard with the pick because I trust Schoen and Daboll still. I'm a little doubtful that this pick will move the offensive needle much.

My concern is that as a rookie, they are chomping at the bit to make an impact. They want to get the ball in their hands to showcase their skills. If Jones is skittish in the pocket and can't/won't deliver the ball to him and the other receivers, frustration and demotivation will set in.

If Jones can't get him the ball, Nabers will be the equivalent of a Ferrari sitting in the garage.

[Gmo11]

How do you separate the talent from the player? As talented as Nabers is, he is still one player.

I'm onboard with the pick because I trust Schoen and Daboll still. I'm a little doubtful that this pick will move the offensive needle much.

My concern is that as a rookie, they are chomping at the bit to make an impact. They want to get the ball in their hands to showcase their skills. If Jones is skittish in the pocket and can't/won't deliver the ball to him and the other receivers, frustration and demotivation will set in.

If Jones can't get him the ball, Nabers will be the equivalent of a Ferrari sitting in the garage.

And they already had one of those in Hyatt last year. I love Nabers. And they are stuck with Jones this year no matter what. But it they can't find Jones replacement next year by the time they do Nabers will be approaching free agency and this whole thing would be wasted. No matter how special he is.

[MightyGiants]

How do you separate the talent from the player? As talented as Nabers is, he is still one player.

I'm onboard with the pick because I trust Schoen and Daboll still. I'm a little doubtful that this pick will move the offensive needle much.

My concern is that as a rookie, they are chomping at the bit to make an impact. They want to get the ball in their hands to showcase their skills. If Jones is skittish in the pocket and can't/won't deliver the ball to him and the other receivers, frustration and demotivation will set in.

If Jones can't get him the ball, Nabers will be the equivalent of a Ferrari sitting in the garage.

Tim,

I have been a cyclist all my life.  Cyclists are all about making their bikes as light as possible.  Yet the harsh reality is there is no single component that can magically eliminate all the desired weight.  It's take the kickstand away for a few ounces, a different frame, maybe a pound or two, eliminate the peddles a few more ounces, and so on and so on.

To me, that is similar to NFL team building.  An NFL team has 22 starters and many more key role players.  So the addition of a single player is highly unlikely to "move the needle."  What moves the needle is methodically adding quality players (especially in the trenches) over a period of time with a quality coaching staff and culture in place.

As for Jones not being able to "get him the ball," that is more myth (thanks to the BBH echo chamber) than reality.

[T200]

Tim,

I have been a cyclist all my life.  Cyclists are all about making their bikes as light as possible.  Yet the harsh reality is there is no single component that can magically eliminate all the desired weight.  It's take the kickstand away for a few ounces, a different frame, maybe a pound or two, eliminate the peddles a few more ounces, and so on and so on.

To me, that is similar to NFL team building.  An NFL team has 22 starters and many more key role players.  So the addition of a single player is highly unlikely to "move the needle."  What moves the needle is methodically adding quality players (especially in the trenches) over a period of time with a quality coaching staff and culture in place.

As for Jones not being able to "get him the ball," that is more myth (thanks to the BBH echo chamber) than reality.

It's still one player.

Wasn't Jones near the bottom of the stat sheet in throws over 20 yards? How exactly is that an echo chamber when the numbers (and watching eyes) bear it out?

[MightyGiants]

It's still one player.

Wasn't Jones near the bottom of the stat sheet in throws over 20 yards? How exactly is that an echo chamber when the numbers (and watching eyes) bear it out?

Didn't Jones have PFF last-place protection and receiving last season?

[y_so_blu]

We needed a quarterback more than we needed a wide receiver. One of my favorite quarterback prospects fell into our lap at #6 and we didn't take him.

So let me check... no. No, I am not waking up happy.

[T200]

Didn't Jones have PFF last-place protection and receiving last season?

You're answering a question with a question. 

[T200]

We needed a quarterback more than we needed a wide receiver. One of my favorite quarterback prospects fell into our lap at #6 and we didn't take him.

So let me check... no. No, I am not waking up happy.

JJ himself said he spent the most time with the Giants than any other team he interviewed with. That tells me two things:

1) Schoen and company did their due diligence on JJ.
2) Schoen and company did not feel, in all the time they spent with the kid, that he is what the Giants needed at #6.

I'm completely fine with that. I wanted a QB as well but I did not want to grab one just to grab one. I believe Schoen and Daboll wanted one as well. It just wasn't McCarthy.

[MightyGiants]

You're answering a question with a question. 

Tim,

Did you expect Jones to be somewhere other than at the bottom of the list for deep throws when he had historically bad protection and poor receivers?   That is why I answered a question with a question.  The subtext of your question is that Jones should be held responsible for the historically bad support he received last season.

[B1GBLUE]

I am definitely excited. personally i think odunze was the better pick (dude's work ethic and charachter is absolutely top tier). something about nabers rubs me the wrong way a little, but i'm sure we will all grow to love him.

Although yes we need to address the qb situation, i am very happy we did not sell the house to get one. History shows at least half of those 6 first round qb's will fail.

For the way it went down, its a solid A pick for me.

[Philosophers]

I see a lot of frustration in this post.  Waking up this morning, I realize that BPA is a great approach as a team needs both top end talent and a lot of depth.  Giants addressed the former in spades with Nabers.  Now, let's hope they continue to stockpile more top end talent.

[T200]

Tim,

Did you expect Jones to be somewhere other than at the bottom of the list for deep throws when he had historically bad protection and poor receivers?   That is why I answered a question with a question.  The subtext of your question is that Jones should be held responsible for the historically bad support he received last season.

That's what you're reading into it, Rich.

What is Jones responsible for? Aren't his stats attributable to him and not his offensive line?

[LennG]

The people who are the happiest this AM are the people who still believe Jones is the future of this team. Those of us that think Jones is not the QB we need to be able to win know Nabers is a great talent but a great talent needs a good QB to help make his talents excel. Drafting a great WR before we have that talent at QB may well be Barkley II. His talents will be wasted for several years as we try to find a QB who can help him excel.

[TONKA56]

We needed a quarterback more than we needed a wide receiver. One of my favorite quarterback prospects fell into our lap at #6 and we didn't take him.

So let me check... no. No, I am not waking up happy.

We will all be watching his career in Minnesota.