The starting 5 on the offensive line

[DaveBrown74]

JMS can't have an Evan Neal tyoe secind year regression from what was already substandard.

I agree on JMS. Especially considering he is quite old for a second year NFL player.

[spiderblue43]

If it were my decision, my leash for neal would be not much more than one game. The guy has had two years, and he's been awful the whole way. Enough. If he's not good at right tackle right away, he should be out. Elumenor did a totally solid job at that position on a bad team with a bad QB for our current new O line coach.

Enough with the kid gloves on Neal. The guy sucks, and he was a dick to the fans. One shot and he's out. He should probably already be out.

Short leash for Neal for sure. I haven't seen any signs of improvement.

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[DaveBrown74]

Short leash for Neal for sure. I haven't seen any signs of improvement.

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It's not even entirely clear to me why he should start at RT in week one over Eleumenor. You have two players who have played RT in this league. One has always been terrible. The other played at a solid level last year. Why would you go with the first guy in that situation?

[gregf]

I don't recall a season where we have had average or better RT play since McKenzie.  Elumenor should be the front runner and best we have had man RT in a dozen years

[AZGiantFan]

In case anyone is interested, here are all the PFF grades (for 2023) of the Giants offensive linemen


36th of 36
John Michael Schmitz Jr.
C
# 61
41.4

Aaron Stinnie
G
# 64
56.5

Austin Schlottmann
C
# 65
62.6

Jon Runyan
G
# 76
56.5

Marcus McKethan
G
# 60
45.4

Jimmy Morrissey
G
# 67
60.1

Yodny Cajuste
T
# 70

Jalen Mayfield
T
# 62
26.1

Joshua Miles
T
# 77

Matt Nelson
T
# 68
58.0

Jermaine Eluemunor
T
# 72
68.5

Joshua Ezeudu
T
# 75
42.4

Evan Neal
T
# 73
39.8

Andrew Thomas
T
# 78
76.1

Expecting our O-Line to improve to average is putting a LOT of faith in the new O-Line coach.

[MightyGiants]

Expecting our O-Line to improve to average is putting a LOT of faith in the new O-Line coach.

Last year, we felt the Giants offense could take a step up.  We hoped that rookie JMS would play well and Neal would get his act together.  While I was optimistic, the old saying, "hope is not a substitute for a plan" kept playing in my head.

[Uncle Mickey]

We know you're not a jokin' 'cause neither are we! 

Peace!

I mean when I look at the last 5-7 OL coaches we have had that might be the greatest joke of all time!

Most of them are not even coaching OL anymore in the NFL and many of them had very, very weak resumes to boot. That was a horrific job by this organization finding a good one. Now this Bracillo guy his resume and rep when you listen to a bunch of guys who either know him closely or have played under him are absolutely glowing. Been waiting a long time for them to get this position on the staff adequate addressed.

[MightyGiants]

I mean when I look at the last 5-7 OL coaches we have had that might be the greatest joke of all time!

Most of them are not even coaching OL anymore in the NFL and many of them had very, very weak resumes to boot. That was a horrific job by this organization finding a good one. Now this Bracillo guy his resume and rep when you listen to a bunch of guys who either know him closely or have played under him are absolutely glowing. Been waiting a long time for them to get this position on the staff adequate addressed.

I would argue the O-line coach is as important as your OC and DC.  First off, they are the only position to coach 5 players on the field (6 in heavy tight-end packages), with the possible exception of a DB coach in a system that plays mostly nickel.  Second, I don't think there is a position in the league where prospects come in less prepared for NFL games than O-linemen.  Finally, with the CBA limits, coaching O-linemen has never been more challenging owing to the lack of time in pads.

[Uncle Mickey]

I would argue the O-line coach is as important as your OC and DC.  First off, they are the only position to coach 5 players on the field (6 in heavy tight-end packages), with the possible exception of a DB coach in a system that plays mostly nickel.  Second, I don't think there is a position in the league where prospects come in less prepared for NFL games than O-linemen.  Finally, with the CBA limits, coaching O-linemen has never been more challenging owing to the lack of time in pads.

I would argue that you are 100% correct. I think that's why you see guys like Stoutland and Scarnecchia being held on to like gold by their teams even when there are major coaching changes around them.

[brownelvis54]

Neal has missed 14 games his first two seasons, can that explain some of the poor performance?

[4 Aces]

I hope I'm wrong, but Bobbie Johnson feels like a bit of a scapegoat.

Now - I'm not saying he's a good OL Coach. All evidence points to the contrary. His guys had no idea what they were doing.

But just like any business, sh#t rolls uphill. Just like it probably does at most of our jobs. The OL struggled from the opening bell last year. Where was the Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka when it became clear Johnson was getting poor results? If he couldn't fix it, where was the Head Coach Brian Daboll? This was a problem that derailed the entire season and got their million dollar QB hurt. None of them could fix it.

Now Bobbie J's gone, and we're just hoping Bricillo waves a magic wand and they start playing better. I'm skeptical.

[AZGiantFan]

I hope I'm wrong, but Bobbie Johnson feels like a bit of a scapegoat.

Now - I'm not saying he's a good OL Coach. All evidence points to the contrary. His guys had no idea what they were doing.

But just like any business, sh#t rolls uphill. Just like it probably does at most of our jobs. The OL struggled from the opening bell last year. Where was the Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka when it became clear Johnson was getting poor results? If he couldn't fix it, where was the Head Coach Brian Daboll? This was a problem that derailed the entire season and got their million dollar QB hurt. None of them could fix it.

Now Bobbie J's gone, and we're just hoping Bricillo waves a magic wand and they start playing better. I'm skeptical.

The real killer with Johnson was his inability to identify his starting OL in the pre-season so they could play together and get some chemistry.  And Dabol/Kafka let that happen.  This led them to be unprepared to compete, as evidenced by being blown out in game after game at the start of the season.  The second killer with Johnson was his inability to get any thing out of Neal, and JMS.

[Gmo11]

It's not even entirely clear to me why he should start at RT in week one over Eleumenor. You have two players who have played RT in this league. One has always been terrible. The other played at a solid level last year. Why would you go with the first guy in that situation?

I'm with you. Let Neal start playing guard from day 1 of mini-camp. Give him as many reps as possible. Play him the majority of the snaps in the preseason games. If he can't figure it out there's a nice spot on the bench for him. I don't need to see him whiffing at RT anymore.

[fromthebside]

That would be a sad state of affairs if they blew a #7 pick on a sub-par OT, mediocre OG. How did the scouts get this one wrong? There was talk of him being the top tackle in the class.  Is it possible he is strictly a LT?  Did his skills not transfer to the NFL? Was the OL coaching that bad on this team? Or is he not as good as everyone made him out to be?