Seems like a lot of commentators are saying Lock will beat out Jones

[Painter]

My point being - I don't agree with you either. And that is ok.

However you should be a little nicer and not state as fact anyone not holding the same opinion of you doesn't "reflect that of a true Giants fan"....that is simply not true and is beneath what this board is all about. I would hope the moderators and the owner would agree.

Either you're missing the point, or prefer less candor when it comes to taking exception to those who are so singly invested in the relentless bashing of Daniel Jones and ridiculing of the team for his presence.

By no means has been it a one-off or a "fool me once" failure-rooting exercise to which I am taking exception. If you don't like it, you can tsk, tsk about it all you like without having to whine to teacher. What do expect them to do, spank the armadillo? 

Cheers!

[Trench]

Either you're missing the point, or prefer less candor when it comes to taking exception to those who are so singly invested in the relentless bashing of Daniel Jones and ridiculing of the team for his presence.

By no means has been it a one-off or a "fool me once" failure-rooting exercise to which I am taking exception. If you don't like it, you can tsk, tsk about it all you like without having to whine to teacher. What do expect them to do, spank the armadillo? 

Cheers!

Your post makes no sense to me whatsoever. I have no ill will towards whatever you believe or root for. I simply ask you for the same courtesy.

[AZGiantFan]

Yup. That game was a complete fiasco. One of the worst performances in franchise history if not the worst. We looked like an expansion team going up against the defending SB champs in that game. Even worse than that, actually. More like a college team playing a good NFL team.

We were only a 2 or 3 point underdog in that game too, and many people were backing the Giants.

We should have expected it after our joint practices and ps game with Detroit showed how the Lions were preparing far more intensely and purposefully than the Giants.

[MightyGiants]

I listened to Pat Leonard's recent podcast.  He is trying very hard to make this a story.  He cited the comments by the Seahawks GM; he claims to have heard from his own inside sources, and he declared that Daniel Jeremiah is no longer just a draft guru but an NFL insider as well.

He never mentioned that Schoen and Lock himself denied the claims. As a sports journalist, Leonard was required to report all the relevant facts, not cherry-pick them to pursue his self-serving agenda.

I had sort of been warming up to Pat of late, but I am troubled by what I consider his less-than-honest reporting.  I am not even saying Pat had to believe Schoen's or Lock's claims, but it was dishonest not to include them in is reporting.

[Painter]

Your post makes no sense to me whatsoever. I have no ill will towards whatever you believe or root for. I simply ask you for the same courtesy.

If you think I was discourteous to you, you have no idea what that means. As for ill-will, call it what you like, but you also seem confused as to whom, what and why I have been critical. Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps, that's just as well.

Cheers!

[Trench]

If you think I was discourteous to you, you have no idea what that means. As for ill-will, call it what you like, but you also seem confused as to whom, what and why I have been critical. Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps, that's just as well.

Cheers!

I was pointing to when you threw out the label, gratuitous and mean spirited beneath what is a Giants fan

[Painter]

A) If the shoe fits... B) It had nothing to with you no matter how you may choose to read it. C) It still applies to those for whom it was and is directed who quite obviously aren't bothered in the least by it.

Is that clear enough?

Cheers!

[4 Aces]

The funny thing is, this is all absolute nonsense that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. It's stuff people are pulling out of their rear end and presenting as fact, which is basically everything you read and hear now.

Daniel Jones is the starter and Drew Lock is the backup. That's reality. I'd imagine every diehard Giants fan understands that.

[Ed Vette]

The funny thing is, this is all absolute nonsense that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. It's stuff people are pulling out of their rear end and presenting as fact, which is basically everything you read and hear now.

Daniel Jones is the starter and Drew Lock is the backup. That's reality. I'd imagine every diehard Giants fan understands that.

This is worth repeating.

[Jclayton92]

I think the more intuguing conversation at least initially is if Lock can come in if needed and replicate what tyrod did last season if called upon. Tyrods explosive plays and deep ball work was top notch last season.

I get Tyrod was a walking injury but he isn't an easy person to replace with his knowledge of the offense plus what he brings off the field in a leadership capacity.

[Ed Vette]

I think the more intuguing conversation at least initially is if Lock can come in if needed and replicate what tyrod did last season if called upon. Tyrods explosive plays and deep ball work was top notch last season.

I get Tyrod was a walking injury but he isn't an easy person to replace with his knowledge of the offense plus what he brings off the field in a leadership capacity.

Hopefully Lock understands this is a pivotal point in his career. A perfect opportunity to take a step back and blossom. If he screws this up he's done. If he can bide his time and be prepared, he can become relevant.

[Trench]

A) If the shoe fits... B) It had nothing to with you no matter how you may choose to read it. C) It still applies to those for whom it was and is directed who quite obviously aren't bothered in the least by it.

Is that clear enough?

Cheers!

Yeah whatever.
Cheers

[Painter]

Yeah whatever.
Cheers

[AYM]

Yup. That game was a complete fiasco. One of the worst performances in franchise history if not the worst. We looked like an expansion team going up against the defending SB champs in that game. Even worse than that, actually. More like a college team playing a good NFL team.

We were only a 2 or 3 point underdog in that game too, and many people were backing the Giants.

The crazy thing is, the very first drive, the team looked crisp. And then the wheels came off.

[Trench]

The crazy thing is, the very first drive, the team looked crisp. And then the wheels came off.

This is a very good point and one which wasn't dissected enough. Was it the result of coaching adjustments?...it's a fascinating thing to analyze