Bellinger vs Theo Johnson

[MightyGiants]

[EDjohnst1981]

If Bellinger returns to rookie year production and Johnson can replicate that, I'd be very happy and more weapons for the QB is useful.

However, if both replicate last year's version of Bellinger, that's not massively useful.

[MightyGiants]

If Bellinger returns to rookie year production and Johnson can replicate that, I'd be very happy and more weapons for the QB is useful.

However, if both replicate last year's version of Bellinger, that's not massively useful.

Bellinger needs to focus less on his biceps and more on making an NFL body

[EDjohnst1981]

Bellinger needs to focus less on his biceps and more on making an NFL body

Maybe so.

I suspect (but don't have the stats) that he took far fewer targets in camp, and the season generally, with addition of Waller.

Bellinger reminds me of Kevin Boss and to a lesser degree, Jake Ballard. I think he just needs the ball. Hopefully Johnson is on that ilk too.

[MightyGiants]

Maybe so.

I suspect (but don't have the stats) that he took far fewer targets in camp, and the season generally, with addition of Waller.

Bellinger reminds me of Kevin Boss and to a lesser degree, Jake Ballard. I think he just needs the ball. Hopefully Johnson is on that ilk too.

Yeah, he took fewer targets in camp, but he didn't step up when Waller got hurt and he had a chance to shine

[EDjohnst1981]

Yeah, he took fewer targets in camp, but he didn't step up when Waller got hurt and he had a chance to shine

True, and it's not a Jones issue - nor am I intimating that - he played with all 3 QBs.

[MightyGiants]

True, and it's not a Jones issue - nor am I intimating that - he played with all 3 QBs.

I wouldn't think you would consider this a Daniel Jones issue because Bellinger shined with DJ as QB in 2022.  That was until he sustained a serious eye injury.  Bellinger never was the same when he returned from that injury in 2022 and didn't regain his rookie magic in 2023

[uconnjack8]

Pretty wild to me how much faster Bellinger's 10byard split is but Johnson ran a better 40 time. 

[MightyGiants]

Pretty wild to me how much faster Bellinger's 10byard split is but Johnson ran a better 40 time. 

I will take the 10-yard split over the 40 times when it comes to tight ends.

[Philosophers]

Look at how close many of those differences are yet produce big differences in RAS.

[Philosophers]

Theo Johnson has a great opportunity to leapfrog Bellinger who showed nothing last season.  Be healthy, be a beast blocking and be a threat all over the field. 

[Trench]

Yeah, he took fewer targets in camp, but he didn't step up when Waller got hurt and he had a chance to shine

The Giants did not target him consistently whatsoever. That's not on him. That's on Jones or the game plan or both.

[MightyGiants]

The Giants did not target him consistently whatsoever. That's not on him. That's on Jones or the game plan or both.

Jones had 160 passing attempts, while Taylor and DeVito had 358 attempts (combined).  Why are you blaming Daniel Jones for Bellinger's short comings?

[Philosophers]

For the Giants to be successful, they can't be a one read offense due to poor pass blocking.  If OL blocks successfully then DJ must read everything and let it fly.

[AZGiantFan]

The Giants did not target him consistently whatsoever. That's not on him. That's on Jones or the game plan or both.

How could it be on Jones when he didn't play in the games Waller missed?  This is exactly what I meant when I talked about fact bias.