Daniel Jones Derangement Syndrome

[londonblue]

Jaylen Reed 4/138 1 TD and he made a lot of those yards and the TD with his post catch play. You could take 60-80 yards, significant YPA and a TD off Love without Reed's value add. This help to the QB is what we hope Nabers can do for DJ and that is my point, not a criticism of Love (though he was bang average).

[Uncle Mickey]

Jaylen Reed 4/138 1 TD and he made a lot of those yards and the TD with his post catch play. You could take 60-80 yards, significant YPA and a TD off Love without Reed's value add. This help to the QB is what we hope Nabers can do for DJ and that is my point, not a criticism of Love (though he was bang average).

THIs is a great point London. Our previous QB had Shockey, Plaxico, Amani, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Steve Smith and Odell Beckham in his career. Which wide receiver has Daniel in his had that comes anywhere near that caliber? Our previous QB had Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee and McKenzie an offensive line that was near the top of the league for something like 5-6 years with maybe one guy different during those years. He had a quality OL coach.

Nabers should be a true #1 and then Wan'Dale if he stays healthy is a guy who's talent I love as a complement to a true #1. Slayton is reliable and potentially would make a great #3 and we will see with Hyatt but at minimum his speed can take the top of a defense.

I admit I wanted Maye but I am going to be in a wait and see approach because this QB does have some pretty good qualities to him that I think might come out more consistently with what we have finally assembled around him.

[Doc16LT56]

This post is for our members (and visitors) who are afflicted with JDS (Jones Derangement Syndrome).

I do it out of respect for the viewpoints of those members who are already "done" with him, hoping they can better enjoy the season (although you would rather see someone else at QB) by understanding what he was up against last year. If he's granted the grace of one final bit of "blind faith" I think more can be gotten out of this season than just "tolerating" the situation for another year.

Won't bore you with any specifics. The most important part of the link below (Schmelk's interview with Robert Mays, a truly knowledgeable pod-caster/writer employed by The Athletic) lasts ONLY FIVE MINUTES (the first five) of the long interview and IMO it will give a point of reference to anyone willing to listen with an open mind. The guys go through Jones' six games from last season and explain why no QB would have had a chance of succeeding.

Bob  https://www.giants.com/video/giants-huddle-robert-mays

PS. IMO Jones was lucky to get hurt early. If he'd played all 17 games he might be dead now.

[TDToomer]

So after today are we all still just deranged? This entire thread and thread title is so offensive I am questioning why I am still even here.

[Trench]

So after today are we all still just deranged? This entire thread and thread title is so offensive I am questioning why I am still even here.

We will have a definitive answer when the jones or bust crew chimes in.

I had hope. I wanted to eat crow and be proven wrong. This guy is not a major competitor. I don't mean this a knock. He doesn't have the "it" factor. I just dont see a man playing with confidence, leadership or fire.

[babywhales]

To be fair Jones played similar to the majority of his games.

However he had a better line, better receivers , and still was inaccurate, poor line of scrimmage reads and poor in play reads of defense and his receivers


Same $hit different season

[TDToomer]

To be fair Jones played similar to the majority of his games.

However he had a better line, better receivers , and still was inaccurate, poor line of scrimmage reads and poor in play reads of defense and his receivers


Same $hit different season

He has one better receiver in Nabors. The drop off after him is steep. Robinson and Slayton need to get more separation and help their QB. I listened to the radio broadcast from 3 PM on and Bank said that the receivers were not adjusting and improvising enough.

That being said watching the Stroud vs Richardson game and wishing we had either one of them. 

[T200]

He has one better receiver in Nabors. The drop off after him is steep. Robinson and Slayton need to get more separation and help their QB. I listened to the radio broadcast from 3 PM on and Bank said that the receivers were not adjusting and improvising enough.

That being said watching the Stroud vs Richardson game and wishing we had either one of them. 

As soon as they get 10 yards past the LOS, they leave Jones' field of vision. They could have 15 yards of separation and Jones would find a defender for a sack.

[DaveBrown74]

He has one better receiver in Nabors. The drop off after him is steep. Robinson and Slayton need to get more separation and help their QB. I listened to the radio broadcast from 3 PM on and Bank said that the receivers were not adjusting and improvising enough.

That being said watching the Stroud vs Richardson game and wishing we had either one of them. 

Shocker that Banks blamed the receivers for Jones' disaster today.

[H-Town G-Fan]

He has one better receiver in Nabors. The drop off after him is steep. Robinson and Slayton need to get more separation and help their QB. I listened to the radio broadcast from 3 PM on and Bank said that the receivers were not adjusting and improvising enough.

That being said watching the Stroud vs Richardson game and wishing we had either one of them. 

Not improvising enough? As if Jones can work off-platform? How delusional can you be? What game is he watching? If Jones first read isn't there, he stares an extra beat, tucks it and looks to run. No amount of improvising will help that. Sorry, but I'm tired of hearing how Banks is objective. He's a company man through and through.

Disagree about Robinson. I think he actually creates a lot of separation in the short game. There's a reason Jones targeted him 12 times. He's got very good quickness.

[kingm56]

Shocker that Banks blamed the receivers for Jones' disaster today.

Banks has been so impressively wrong over the last 4 years that I honestly don't know why people listen to him. 

[Trench]

Banks has been so impressively wrong over the last 4 years that I honestly don't know why people listen to him. 

Fair point

[DaveBrown74]

Banks has been so impressively wrong over the last 4 years that I honestly don't know why people listen to him. 

He's a huge Jones apologist who goes as far as to attack fans who don't think he's a very good QB, so that gives him an audience as a number of fans share both his view on Jones and his attitude that anyone who disagrees deserves disdain and ridicule.

[katkavage]

Banks has been so impressively wrong over the last 4 years that I honestly don't know why people listen to him. 

Tiki is just as bad. The bottom line is that the former Giants just can't be objective. We fans are the same. We see the team with our own tinted glasses. And not clearly. That's why I like to get totally objective analysis of the teams. PFF is very good. And the Athletic too. No grudges. Just smart analysis.

[kingm56]

Tiki is just as bad. The bottom line is that the former Giants just can't be objective. We fans are the same. We see the team with our own tinted glasses. And not clearly. That's why I like to get totally objective analysis of the teams. PFF is very good. And the Athletic too. No grudges. Just smart analysis.

I agree, Kat; I like to do the same, which is why I believe my analysis concerning DJ wasn't 'deranged', as it was shared by the majority without any connection to the Giants (i.e. impartial).