I have officially hopped off the DJ train

[T200]

Schoen and Daboll came from outside and have accomplished nothing here, so I don't think Mara would feel loyalty to them like he did for, say, Gettleman. This is the third year. That's enough time to not be accused of lack of continuity if the wheels come off and this team comes in at, say, 2-15.

Is three years enough time to fix what Gettleman left though?

[DaveBrown74]

Is three years enough time to fix what Gettleman left though?

Is three years enough time to fix it? I don't know.

Is three years enough time to exhibit material improvement? Absolutely.

There is no legitimate excuse for us to still be this bad in year three of this regime.

[Brooklyn Dave]

Look I witnessed that abysmal performance today and Daboll did not have his team ready to play . That said, it is only one game . There are 16 games  left so the sky is not falling today.

[Trench]

Look I witnessed that abysmal performance today and Daboll did not have his team ready to play . That said, it is only one game . There are 16 games  left so the sky is not falling today.

Nope. No good. Unacceptable that this happened 2 years in a row.

[H-Town G-Fan]

Look I witnessed that abysmal performance today and Daboll did not have his team ready to play . That said, it is only one game . There are 16 games  left so the sky is not falling today.

Defense was acceptable. 21 points is not great, but should be within reach. They even handed the offense a great opportunity early with the fumble caused by rookie Dru Phillips deep in enemy territory. I can't imagine what it's like to play defense when you know if you give up 10 points it's basically over.

[Philosophers]

If we go QB in round 1 of 2025 Draft, I don't want Daboll's paws on him.  I want a new GM and HC.  JS and BD have had too many misses.

[T200]

Is three years enough time to fix it? I don't know.

Is three years enough time to exhibit material improvement? Absolutely.

There is no legitimate excuse for us to still be this bad in year three of this regime.

No excuse at all.

But we know the reasonS: QB, offensive line, offensive skill players.

Two of the three have been addressed; time will tell if there will be noticeable improvements on the field. The main one hasn't changed and hasn't shown signs of improvement.

[kingm56]

If we go QB in round 1 of 2025 Draft, I don't want Daboll's paws on him.  I want a new GM and HC.  JS and BD have had too many misses.

Interesting perspective, Joe.  Honestly, as much as I want to, it's hard to argue. Hmmm, I may have to alter my thinking here. 

[Trench]

Interesting perspective, Joe.  Honestly, as much as I want to, it's hard to argue. Hmmm, I may have to alter my thinking here.

He makes a good point

[Doc16LT56]

Is three years enough time to fix what Gettleman left though?

When it was obvious that Gettleman was floundering and had no coherent plan, certain individuals here ran with the excuse that he basically inherited an expansion team. There's always going to be a reason/excuse. But at some point, you have to take the results you're getting at face value.

[T200]

When it was obvious that Gettleman was floundering and had no coherent plan, certain individuals here ran with the excuse that he basically inherited an expansion team. There's always going to be a reason/excuse. But at some point, you have to take the results you're getting at face value.

I agree with your overall point but taking things at face value is the same reason Jones got a new contract off of a playoff win. You can't take things at face value and be expected to give a proper evaluation of a situation.

[Doc16LT56]

I agree with your overall point but taking things at face value is the same reason Jones got a new contract off of a playoff win. You can't take things at face value and be expected to give a proper evaluation of a situation.

Yes, agreed. Just to say that when you're consistently getting poor results, you have to have a limit to staying the course. But, yes, I think you're correct in the broader point you're making.

[T200]

Yes, agreed. Just to say that when you're consistently getting poor results, you have to have a limit to staying the course. But, yes, I think you're correct in the broader point you're making.

I'm with you there. For me, I'd be comfortable giving Schoen and Daboll two more years if they get their QB in next year's draft. If they don't grab a QB in the draft, they're on the hot seat.

[brownelvis54]

I'm with you there. For me, I'd be comfortable giving Schoen and Daboll two more years if they get their QB in next year's draft. If they don't grab a QB in the draft, they're on the hot seat.

Two years sounds right. 2025 get their QB, 2026 evaluate where the team is

[Doc16LT56]

I'm with you there. For me, I'd be comfortable giving Schoen and Daboll two more years if they get their QB in next year's draft. If they don't grab a QB in the draft, they're on the hot seat.

Yep. I'm guessing this is what ownership is thinking as well.