Giants PFF grades for week 4 against the Cowboys

[shadowspinner0]

According to PFF Jones had a very good game and the OL was very good as well. McFadden continues to impress PFF and Theo does nothing

[DaveBrown74]

If our offensive line and QB were both really good, how did we get zero TDs?

(I'm not asking you, more just curious how PFF would square that circle)

[Trench]

Jones had a statistically ok game but he didn't have a strong game. He needed to win. He can't

[madbadger]

If our offensive line and QB were both really good, how did we get zero TDs?

(I'm not asking you, more just curious how PFF would square that circle)

It's the receivers fault for out running perfectly thrown balls, I guess. Jones was played fine it's just that he never seems to make a big play when we need it. By my count poor passes from him cost us at least 14 points. We aren't good enough to overcome missed opportunities and missed opportunities is the one thing Jones excels at.

[EDjohnst1981]

I think this points to a folly with PFF. The grades are good. But when you're watching the game, the offense didn't even threaten the end zone.

So it's a good statistical game but in reality, they were less threatening than the previous two weeks.

[Gman329]

Eli would have had a lower rating and he would have won the game.

[Hadron]

It's the receivers fault for out running perfectly thrown balls, I guess. Jones was played fine it's just that he never seems to make a big play when we need it. By my count poor passes from him cost us at least 14 points. We aren't good enough to overcome missed opportunities and missed opportunities is the one thing Jones excels at.

I think back to that Malik Nabers play where he juked the Dallas DB out of his shoes only to have to wait for the pop fly...aka, the Jones pass, to arrive. That should've been a TD with how open he was in that play.

Jones repeatedly underthrowing Slayton didn't help.

[MightyGiants]

If our offensive line and QB were both really good, how did we get zero TDs?

(I'm not asking you, more just curious how PFF would square that circle)

Football is about more than one player, even QB.  Consider the horrible rushing production, for example

[DaveBrown74]

Football is about more than one player, even QB.  Consider the horrible rushing production, for example

That is of course completely true, but I was referring to 6 players, not one. According to the OP, PFF said the O line played "very well" in aggregate, as well as Jones playing "very well" according to the OP.

We also know that Nabers is a stud (I don't think that's up for debate).

So if your QB played very well, your O line played very well (this is according to PFF), and you have Nabers separating all afternoon, it's unclear to me how a team can fail to get a single TD in a home game against a banged up defense that had looked absolutely awful in the previous two weeks.

To me, the simplest explanation of all of the above is that maybe some of PFF's methodology is less than perfect.

[Trench]

Football is about more than one player, even QB.  Consider the horrible rushing production, for example

This is in large part due to Dallas KNOWING with 95% accuracy likely that a run was being called.

Jones could have audibled. Daboll could've called a screen. Jones could tell his TE to go over middle (just like Rodgers and Mahomes do).

[MightyGiants]

That is of course completely true, but I was referring to 6 players, not one. According to the OP, PFF said the O line played "very well" in aggregate, as well as Jones playing "very well" according to the OP.

We also know that Nabers is a stud (I don't think that's up for debate).

So if your QB played very well, your O line played very well (this is according to PFF), and you have Nabers separating all afternoon, it's unclear to me how a team can fail to get a single TD in a home game against a banged up defense that had looked absolutely awful in the previous two weeks.

To me, the simplest explanation of all of the above is that maybe some of PFF's methodology is less than perfect.

I have said it before, but it's worth repeating.  While the value of individual RBs has declined the value of a proper running game has not

[uconnjack8]

Is there a way to see the run blocking grades on this?

If our offensive line and QB were both really good, how did we get zero TDs?

(I'm not asking you, more just curious how PFF would square that circle)

It's because they grade every play with the same weight.  The Giants drove the field with long drives several times resulting in +1s and +2s for players on multiple plays.  Then the drives stalled which may just be 1 play of negative scores for 1 or 2 players.  Further, not sure how they grade penalties (someone here probably knows) and 2 of their 5 scoring drives stalled because of real penalties (1 was stalled on the phantom face mask).

So if they ran an 11 play drive and then had missed on 3rd and 5 at the 15, there were 10 plays that may have generated positive scores until that 3rd down.

Edit to add:  Even on a play where a WR dropped a 3rd and 5 1st down catch, 10 other guys can get a positive grade on that play .