Tiki Explains Why Daniel Jones Is Not "That Guy" for NYG / Former Giant agrees

[Jclayton92]

Daboll has coached Farve, Allen, Tua, Hurts, and so many more, he knows the difference in elite Qbs and pedestrian qbs.

[files58]

"Keep in mind  JS and Dabs based their decision to retain DJ based largely on the season DJ had in 2022"

Dabol and Schoen were saddled with Jones after the 2022 season solely by MARA. Period. When he opened his mouth and said "we've done everything we can to mess up this kid" that was the death knell for the Giants. Schoen and Dabol deserve to have their own QB like most new regimes unless there is a very good QB in place when that regime arrives. As I mentioned in previous posts Jones just not have the ability to make the key throws when needed. Teams know this and defend accordingly. They dare Jones to beat them with his arm, and it won't happen. Do you think Jones scares any DC in the league? Mara lives in a totally different world than we fans. His team in the past ten years has more than tripled in value from $2.1 Billion to $7 Billion. Despite his throwing chairs, and handing out Pepsi which cost him pennies per where is the real incentive? Win or lose he and his partners make a tremendous amount of money. The two year out is the compromise, PLUS supposedly he gave his blessing pre-draft to draft a new QB if it made sense. He shouldn't have to give a blessing if he doesn't meddle, and Schoen really has free reign.

[Trench]

It factor to me means in "hot, pressure, situations," a person's heart rate slows down, they remain calm, clear, quickingthinking with a confidence they can work the problem and execute successfully and if in a leadership role, they can lead others around them who trust and believe in them.

That's the quality of great Special Operations person in their environment, a QB in a game, etc.

Does DJ have them?  I dont believe he does.  It's the rare person that does.

To define the IT factor - put Jones side by side on video with Cousins.

The IT factor will be evident

[kingm56]

To define the IT factor - put Jones side by side on video with Cousins.

The IT factor will be evident

Cousins is 36 years old and a 13 year NFL vet with a whopping one playoff victory to his resume.   He's always produced well-above-average passing production numbers, which has yielded him 4 pro bowl.  He's always been a good QB; however, I wouldn't use him as my standard to define 'it.' The standard bear for "it" is Patrick Mahomes.

[Trench]

Cousins is 36 years old and a 13 year NFL vet with a whopping one playoff victory to his resume.   He's always produced well-above-average passing production numbers, which has yielded him 4 pro bowl.  He's always been a good QB; however, I wouldn't use him as my standard to define 'it.' The standard bear for "it" is Patrick Mahomes.

Oh I most certainly would!...I am talking about his command presence, his confidence in the pocket, his ability to step up into it and wait for it to develop, his body language in the 2 minute drill. His progressions.

Nobody is saying he's All-Pro. But he has an IT factor for sure. A very very good one indeed.

[coggs]

I do not see them drafting Sanders as they are not going to want to deal with his father.  I think my wife is more likely to be ok with me having a 23 year old side piece than the Giants are of drafting Sanders.  Arch Manning I really do not want for the same reason I did not want Chris Simms when he started college.  Regardless of that, he is another year away.  Can't hold out hoping you will be in a position to draft him in 2026.

[kingm56]

Oh I most certainly would!...I am talking about his command presence, his confidence in the pocket, his ability to step up into it and wait for it to develop, his body language in the 2 minute drill. His progressions.

Nobody is saying he's All-Pro. But he has an IT factor for sure. A very very good one indeed.

Did Tony Romo have it?

[Trench]

Did Tony Romo have it?

He did but not as noticeable as Cousins. I mean he seems to do well when pressure is on and gets big chunks easily now with 2 teams.

[katkavage]

I do not see them drafting Sanders as they are not going to want to deal with his father.  I think my wife is more likely to be ok with me having a 23 year old side piece than the Giants are of drafting Sanders.  Arch Manning I really do not want for the same reason I did not want Chris Simms when he started college.  Regardless of that, he is another year away.  Can't hold out hoping you will be in a position to draft him in 2026.

If true it is another reason why the Giants are a losing franchise. "Can't deal with his father?" That's as pathetic excuse excuse as you will ever hear

[kingm56]

He did but not as noticeable as Cousins. I mean he seems to do well when pressure is on and gets big chunks easily now with 2 teams.

He does well with pressure, but only has a single playoff victory in 13 years? I think you're conflating measurable/objective attributes with abstract/subjective qualities. I would define it as the latter, while acknowledging Cousins is blessed with an abundance of the former...he's been a quality QB with 3 teams. Yet, he doesn't have the it factor that drives teams to victories in the biggest moments.  Irregardless, if you believe Tony Romo had it, we clearly have different definitions and can just agree to disagree.

[Woody]

So far I agree Jones is not "the GUY". But to Blame the Giants terrible record on him alone is not correct. Yes there are times if he played better they might have won a game ....but the team is still not good .
Twice this year ...very late on potential game winning drives. Nabers dropped 2  well thrown balls on a fourth down play . Which if caught would have extended their drive into potential scoring position.
Not saying Jones is the answer but if those passes were caught things may have turned out better. Washington game they only needed a FG to win game...

[Trench]

He does well with pressure, but has only won a single playoff game in 13 years? I think you're conflating measurable/objective attributes with abstract/subjective qualities.  Cousins is blessed with an abundance of the former, and has been a quality QB with 3 teams. Yet, he doesn't have the it factor that drives teams to victories in the biggest moments.  Irregardless, if you believe Tony Romo had it, we clearly have different definitions and can just agree to disagree.

I said Romo had it not so much, but he had a little IT factor (maybe it was more "moxy" in his case). He also had much better teams to be fair.

Regarding Cousins, how many times we have seen him drive teams down the field very late in the game  (sometimes going 70-80 yards) to take the lead and his defense fails. Jones doesn't do that. And the few times he "has" actually feels surprising when it happens. Cousins to my point really "looks" comfortable in big spots. Really uses whole field, checks multiple reads and has a great pocket sense. If he were on the Giants today we would be a playoff team.

[kartanoman]

Did Tony Romo have it?

His "it" fumbled out of his hands and into the off-season when he botched the game winning field goal against Seattle in 2006. Not long after, he botched Jessica as well. Maybe the most short-lived "it" out of the bunch.

Peace!

[MrGap92]

So far I agree Jones is not "the GUY". But to Blame the Giants terrible record on him alone is not correct. Yes there are times if he played better they might have won a game ....but the team is still not good .
Twice this year ...very late on potential game winning drives. Nabers dropped 2  well thrown balls on a fourth down play . Which if caught would have extended their drive into potential scoring position.
Not saying Jones is the answer but if those passes were caught things may have turned out better. Washington game they only needed a FG to win game...

If you watch the all 22 youd see alot of plays left on the table by jones with wide open receivers he never looks at, goes both ways in That regard

[Woody]

If you watch the all 22 youd see alot of plays left on the table by jones with wide open receivers he never looks at, goes both ways in That regard

Agreed but in the course of these two games at a Critical time. .....Jones made throws and Nabers dropped them,
Could possibly have been two wins instead of losses


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