Daboll said Jones still starting QB

[Gmo11]

Bobby Skinner addressed this on the post-game podcast.  Starting Lock needs to be more than just, "he's no Daniel Jones."  As poorly as DJ played, Lock showed there is room to be worse.  So you start Lock, and he sucks worse than Jones, then what?  Do you go back to Jones, do you just suck worse?  I don't think DeVito is the answer, and it appears clear neither do the Giants.

For me, if you start Lock you either find out that Jones is in fact the problem and Lock can at least make the offense functional.  Or you learn that he's just as bad or worse than Jones.  And to me, EITHER WAY, Lock should start the rest of the season.  If he's better he tries to rally the team and make the playoffs.  If he's worse he brings enough losses with him to get a top 3 pick to hopefully draft a replacement.

[MrGap92]

If a team would offer the Giants a day 2 pick for DJ, I would be all for making the trade.  I am not sure it would make much difference to trade him away for a day 3 pick and I think at that point you are just benching him in a different fashion.


If you could find a team that was willing to take on $18 million of DJ's 2024 salary (that would be the pro-rated portion at this point), I would be good with that as well.   I would assume the only was the Giants could get a meaningful day 2 pick would be to eat much of DJ's 2024 contract.

I probably should have used the sarcasm emote, since it isnt realistic. Looking back at bad QB contracts, one example was Brock Osweiler, which they had to give Cleveland a second round pick to take him off their hands. No one is going to absorb this contract, or trade capital for him in any capacity.

If they did somehow pull it off, give Schoen GM of the century.

[Jclayton92]

Daboll has done absolutely nothing without Allen at QB. That's his only success. That's not actually a lot to hang your hat on..

Developing Qbs is not an easy thing, yet Daboll developed both Hurts and Tua enroute to a national championship. That plus developing Allen equals a pretty good track record. That was after being Gronks TE coach for the patriots for 4 years and you guessed it a super bowl win.

[kingm56]

You are certainly entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts (especially when they could be considered slander).  I never predicted, or thought DJ was a franchise/top-tier QB.   First, your claim flies in the face of the FACT that I have made it pretty clear that predictions are BS.  I believed that it was possible for DJ COULD become a franchise quarterback.  He certainly has the arm, the work ethic, and the physical ability.  We will never know if DJ's failure to achieve was the result of the Giant's piss-poor development (and the beating they allowed him to endure) or that he never had the ability to handle the speed and pressure of the NFL game.

Now, regarding your claims about the team believing that Lock is better, feel free to provide some sort of evidence to support that claim. Your beliefs notwithstanding, there has been no factual evidence to support your assertion that the players believe Lock is the better QB.  Certainly, Brian Daboll (who knows a bit more about Jones and football than you do) doesn't believe Lock is better (or, at this point, he would continue to play Lock).

Rich,

I pride myself on posting based on facts; I'm also blessed with an eidetic memory.  While I don't appreciate you implicitly calling me a liar, it's not my intent to embarrass you.  Instead, I'll send you a DM reminding you of your statements. I'm just going to assume you forgot what you typed following DJ's contract and the Minnesota Playoff game.    Although, I suspect many will recall your statements in the now deleted "long term contract" thread.
 
I also never claimed Lock is better...EVER.  Why do attempt to reframe other's position to make yourself appear superior?  Why is being right about something as inconsequential as football so important that you would implicitly call guest to your site liars or purposely misrepresent their statements?   

How about you provide evidence of me claiming Lock is better?

[AZGiantFan]

For me, if you start Lock you either find out that Jones is in fact the problem and Lock can at least make the offense functional.  Or you learn that he's just as bad or worse than Jones.  And to me, EITHER WAY, Lock should start the rest of the season.  If he's better he tries to rally the team and make the playoffs.  If he's worse he brings enough losses with him to get a top 3 pick to hopefully draft a replacement.

[MightyGiants]

Rich,

I pride myself on posting based on facts; I'm also blessed with an eidetic memory.  While I don't appreciate you implicitly calling me a liar, it's not my intent to embarrass you.  Instead, I'll send you a DM reminding you of your statements. I'm just going to assume you forgot what you typed following DJ's contract and the Minnesota Playoff game.    Although, I suspect many will recall your statements in the now deleted "long term contract" thread.
 
I also never claimed Lock is better...EVER.  Why do attempt to reframe other's position to make yourself appear superior?  Why is being right about something as inconsequential as football so important that you would implicitly call guest to your site liars or purposely misrepresent their statements?  

How about you provide evidence of me claiming Lock is better?

Let us see, despite literally 100s of posts saying the opposite (I forget how often I made the analogy comparing DJ to a car with a flat tire; you don't know how the car runs until you fix the flat), you found a single post from 2022 after DJ's impressive playoff win against the Vikings and used that to raise a totally unrelated point (it was clear you were trying to do what you accused me of which was make yourself sound superior).  Interestingly enough, I attributed DJ's playing like a franchise QB for that month due to newfound self-confidence.  It's a shame Schoen's failures on the O-line resulted in DJ getting that self-confidence beaten out of him the next season.  Frankly the QB we see today is not the same one we saw at the end of 2022 and preseason 2023.  Injuries and the constant physical beating have taken their toll, and it's clear DJ can not regain what he lost in terms of confidence and comfort.

To your other point, you disagreed with me.  I implied that the players considered DJ a better QB than Lock.  You disagreed with me on that point.  When I challenged you to prove your claim that the players think Lock is better, you suddenly acted like a wronged victim and falsely claimed I was trying to make myself feel superior for asking you to support your claim.  Then you twisted things and claimed I said you (not the players, which was always what we were discussing) thought.

Still, there is one thing I agree with.  We are just talking football.  Which begs the question, why do you feel the need to try and falsely paint me as some sort of horrible monster?  What do you gain by such actions?  Why can't we just talk about football or even disagree about football without making it personal?

If I disagree, I see things differently.  If you disagree, you see things differently.  You don't need to insult or belittle me because I disagree.

[Gmo11]

I firmly believe this team is talented enough right now today to make the playoffs if they simply had slightly above average QB play.  Possibly just average QB play.  Offense and defense across the board has talent.  (Although Andrew thomas being out obviously hurts). But it doesn't matter how open Nabers or Slayton get if they're more than 10 yards down the field they're just not getting the ball thrown their way.  And when they do get it thrown their way it's usually not every accurate. 

[MightyGiants]

I firmly believe this team is talented enough right now today to make the playoffs if they simply had slightly above average QB play.  Possibly just average QB play.  Offense and defense across the board has talent.  (Although Andrew thomas being out obviously hurts). But it doesn't matter how open Nabers or Slayton get if they're more than 10 yards down the field they're just not getting the ball thrown their way.  And when they do get it thrown their way it's usually not every accurate. 

why did most pundits rank the Giants roster talent near the bottom when the rankings came out near the start of the season?