NY Giants fans

[LennG]

 I'm not sure if this was already mentioned, but yesterday, on a gorgeous Sunday 1 PM game still at the beginning of a season, I couldn't believe how many Eagle fans were there. What is with fans these days, only go to games when we are good and sell off everything else? This is a division game why would fans sell their tickets?
I can understand the high prices and try to recoup something, but a division game, early in the season, on a wonderful Autumn day, and there looked like there were more Eagle fans there than Giant fans.
Just terrible.

[Messiah717]

It's sad but I could see people not wasting their time on a beautiful day sitting in MetLife watching this current product. 

[Ed Vette]

I never sold my tickets. But I understand why. The season was just about shot, the games they can recoup their losses would be as early as possible before the market collapses and against hated rivals that their fans show up and travel. After yesterday's game, the Market collapsed.

Some tickets retail for as much as $800 apiece. If you shelled out good money for this product, are you telling me you wouldn't have a plan to mitigate the cost?

[MrGap92]

Seasons over, Jones is QB, and it takes 47 hours to get out the parking lot, I don't blame anyone

[MightyGiants]

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned, but yesterday, on a gorgeous Sunday 1 PM game still at the beginning of a season, I couldn't believe how many Eagle fans were there. What is with fans these days, only go to games when we are good and sell off everything else? This is a division game why would fans sell their tickets?
I can understand the high prices and try to recoup something, but a division game, early in the season, on a wonderful Autumn day, and there looked like there were more Eagle fans there than Giant fans.
Just terrible.

I can't blame any Giants fan for any action at this point. Since the miracle Super Bowl run of 2011, this team has been bad for a long time.  In that stretch, you had only two playoff teams and neither managed to move past the divisional round.   Why would I begrudge fans to give up a perfect day and sit and watch a bad 2-4 team who lost their best offensive player for the season?

This is a team that is just spinning its wheels. John Mara said he wanted to see significant improvement this season, but Schoen and Daboll have not delivered that so far.

[TDToomer]

The inconvenient truth is that Giants season tickets are not in the hands of the biggest fans or even fans of the teams. If you want to send a message to the owners stop renewing. There's not even a waiting list for season tickets anymore.
I just checked out what's available for the next home game vs Washington. Resellers are asking $70 per ticket before fees. When I uncheck the resale tickets the stadium is filled with seats that have never been sold by the team. It's amazing games aren't blacked out.

[T200]

The inconvenient truth is that Giants season tickets are not in the hands of the biggest fans or even fans of the teams. If you want to send a message to the owners stop renewing. There's not even a waiting list for season tickets anymore.
I just checked out what's available for the next home game vs Washington. Resellers are asking $70 per ticket before fees. When I uncheck the resale tickets the stadium is filled with seats that have never been sold by the team. It's amazing games aren't blacked out.

Here's the million-dollar question: if that's done (highly unlikely), would the owners receive the message as John Mara and his family need to get out of football operations?

I doubt it. He'd just continue replacing everyone else except the problem. Just like what's happening with the offense... fix every position except the QB.

[TDToomer]

Here's the million-dollar question: if that's done (highly unlikely), would the owners receive the message as John Mara and his family need to get out of football operations?

I doubt it. He'd just continue replacing everyone else except the problem. Just like what's happening with the offense... fix every position except the QB.

I don't know what Mara (or even Tisch if he still cares) is thinking but they are not blind to notice how opposing fans are taking over the stadium they built even before Giants fans leave in disgust. I don't see him selling the team. Maybe Tisch could sell his 49% but you could end up with a Daniel Synder or Dave Tepper type of owner. Or worse, Elon Musk!

[kartanoman]

When it comes to Mara and Tisch, and the "metrics which matter" they likely use to manage the "health" of their business, you would think that failures on the field are captured somewhere in their performance metrics under "Operations" and "Medical Services."

But no matter what happens on the field, the one Mara/Tisch metric which, in effect, negates the effectiveness of the others, is the overall value of the organization. When the team effectively continues to fall behind on the field, yet the value of the organization climbs into the top three in the NFL, where is the motivation/incentive to aggressively pursue winning on the field. In essence, why not take on the culture of the 49ers which was established under their legendary owner, the great Eddie DeBartolo. That was a man who demanded excellence, held people accountable and rewarded every person on his payroll when the 49ers achieved it. To this day, his players still speak with reverence about how well he treated them and how they WANTED to work as hard as they could for him because they didn't want to let him down. Not Bill Walsh, Not George Seifert, but Eddie; think about that.

Winning for The Duke was one thing. Winning for The Duke and Bob Tisch was another thing. But winning for John and Steve would not have been the same had Anne Mara not forced herself onto center stage and chewed Terry Bradshaw a new @$$hole after the Giants won the NFC Championship Game in San Francisco. That was the last hurrah for the old guard. It's been the Wilderness Years, Part Deux for the fans while the Mara and Tisch ownership rake in the revenue as the third most valuable franchise in the league. I'm pretty sure The Duke was nowhere near the top 10 before Giants Stadium ever existed during the original Wilderness Years.

#3. That in and of itself is reason enough why neither owner will sell their share of the Giants anytime soon. Put on an angry face, throw a chair and hope the Fox cameras pick you up, whatever video and sound bits you need to show you care, and go back to your glass penthouse and listen to that beautiful musical tune ... cha-ching ... cha-ching ... cha-ching goes the family cash register while $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ dance in the back of your mind.

'Tis good to be the king!

While another lost season plays out on the field. But us old timers weathered through this old song and dance before. What's another round or two by the same old band? Just ask the bartender for a double and clink our glasses as we toast to the "good ol days" and hope for "better times."

It's the 1970s all over again. Bring out the disco uniforms and I think they've got it down to a T!

Peace!

[MightyGiants]

When it comes to Mara and Tisch, and the "metrics which matter" they likely use to manage the "health" of their business, you would think that failures on the field are captured somewhere in their performance metrics under "Operations" and "Medical Services."

But no matter what happens on the field, the one Mara/Tisch metric which, in effect, negates the effectiveness of the others, is the overall value of the organization. When the team effectively continues to fall behind on the field, yet the value of the organization climbs into the top three in the NFL, where is the motivation/incentive to aggressively pursue winning on the field. In essence, why not take on the culture of the 49ers which was established under their legendary owner, the great Eddie DeBartolo. That was a man who demanded excellence, held people accountable and rewarded every person on his payroll when the 49ers achieved it. To this day, his players still speak with reverence about how well he treated them and how they WANTED to work as hard as they could for him because they didn't want to let him down. Not Bill Walsh, Not George Seifert, but Eddie; think about that.

Winning for The Duke was one thing. Winning for The Duke and Bob Tisch was another thing. But winning for John and Steve would not have been the same had Anne Mara not forced herself onto center stage and chewed Terry Bradshaw a new @$$hole after the Giants won the NFC Championship Game in San Francisco. That was the last hurrah for the old guard. It's been the Wilderness Years, Part Deux for the fans while the Mara and Tisch ownership rake in the revenue as the third most valuable franchise in the league. I'm pretty sure The Duke was nowhere near the top 10 before Giants Stadium ever existed during the original Wilderness Years.

#3. That in and of itself is reason enough why neither owner will sell their share of the Giants anytime soon. Put on an angry face, throw a chair and hope the Fox cameras pick you up, whatever video and sound bits you need to show you care, and go back to your glass penthouse and listen to that beautiful musical tune ... cha-ching ... cha-ching ... cha-ching goes the family cash register while $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ dance in the back of your mind.

'Tis good to be the king!

While another lost season plays out on the field. But us old timers weathered through this old song and dance before. What's another round or two by the same old band? Just ask the bartender for a double and clink our glasses as we toast to the "good ol days" and hope for "better times."

It's the 1970s all over again. Bring out the disco uniforms and I think they've got it down to a T!

Peace!

Mike Lombardi describes the issue not of one where Mara and Tisch don't care.  Rather, they are trying to run the Giants like a mom-and-pop store in the age of multi-billion dollar franchises.  Too much about loyalty and not enough (as you alluded to) about performance.

I would argue that this franchise will continue to be an exercise in futility until you see the Giants stand up and tell chronic underperformer Ronnie Barnes the door instead of the ring of honor.

[kartanoman]

Mike Lombardi describes the issue not of one where Mara and Tisch don't care.  Rather, they are trying to run the Giants like a mom-and-pop store in the age of multi-billion dollar franchises.  Too much about loyalty and not enough (as you alluded to) about performance.

I would argue that this franchise will continue to be an exercise in futility until you see the Giants stand up and tell chronic underperformer Ronnie Barnes the door instead of the ring of honor.

Good morning, Rich @MightyGiants .

As you characterized the situation very well, out of respect for Tim and Jack Mara, the Giants continue to operate as a "Mom & Pop" shop with the added benefit of being the third most wealthy franchise in the NFL.

I have to wonder what Tim would think of his $500 investment now and Jack's early decision making for the good of the fledgling NFL in those earlier decades. Neither lived long enough to experience the Super Bowl era of the league. I'm sure Wellington has back-briefed them by now, but could they imagine their investment in terms of billions (with a big B) of dollars and likely to continue to grow as time marches on?

Now, if the play on the field were to match the big B in the books ...

Peace!

[MightyGiants]

Good morning, Rich @MightyGiants .

As you characterized the situation very well, out of respect for Tim and Jack Mara, the Giants continue to operate as a "Mom & Pop" shop with the added benefit of being the third most wealthy franchise in the NFL.

I have to wonder what Tim would think of his $500 investment now and Jack's early decision making for the good of the fledgling NFL in those earlier decades. Neither lived long enough to experience the Super Bowl era of the league. I'm sure Wellington has back-briefed them by now, but could they imagine their investment in terms of billions (with a big B) of dollars and likely to continue to grow as time marches on?

Now, if the play on the field were to match the big B in the books ...

Peace!

When you consider that the Giants sacrificed competitive advantage by advocating for the draft and revenue sharing (as the big city team, they enjoyed an advantage in bidding for and signing players), it seems fitting the team should reap some financial reward.  Plus, I think one of the reasons the Giants are among the highest-valued teams is they own half a stadium.  Other teams saved millions by forcing tax payers to build their stadiums, but those stadiums don't add to the value of those franchises.

[B1GBLUE]

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned, but yesterday, on a gorgeous Sunday 1 PM game still at the beginning of a season, I couldn't believe how many Eagle fans were there. What is with fans these days, only go to games when we are good and sell off everything else? This is a division game why would fans sell their tickets?
I can understand the high prices and try to recoup something, but a division game, early in the season, on a wonderful Autumn day, and there looked like there were more Eagle fans there than Giant fans.
Just terrible.

Well...we suck. especially against the eagles. i wouldnt waste my time, money, and effort at this point in time.

[AZGiantFan]

I don't know what Mara (or even Tisch if he still cares) is thinking but they are not blind to notice how opposing fans are taking over the stadium they built even before Giants fans leave in disgust. I don't see him selling the team. Maybe Tisch could sell his 49% but you could end up with a Daniel Synder or Dave Tepper type of owner. Or worse, Elon Musk!

I don't know why you took a shot at Musk.  You may not like his politics but I think he would be a fantastic owner.  If you look at his businesses it is clear that he hires top-notch people and lets them do their jobs.  He's not personally designing the fabulously successful rockets or writing the code for the AI built into the Teslas, thats his hires doing that, within a framework he creates.  And it works to an extraordinary extent.

[AZGiantFan]

Mike Lombardi describes the issue not of one where Mara and Tisch don't care.  Rather, they are trying to run the Giants like a mom-and-pop store in the age of multi-billion dollar franchises.  Too much about loyalty and not enough (as you alluded to) about performance.

I would argue that this franchise will continue to be an exercise in futility until you see the Giants stand up and tell chronic underperformer Ronnie Barnes the door instead of the ring of honor.

I think this is a case of good enough being the enemy of better.  How much higher would the value of the franchise be if they were consistent winners on the order of, say, the Steelers, who haven't had a losing season in 20 years? 

And the Giants had something like that going from 2005 to 2012, but then it all fell to crap when Mara announced the offense was broken and started meddling,  The turning point was when he forced Coughlin to fire Gilbride, who had brought them perennial top 10 offenses because Jerry Reese let the Ol get old.  Instead of firing from the bottom up he should have fired from the top down and gotten rid of Reese.  But hey the franchise value kept going up.

The other thing which is underappreciated is the way he cheaped out on the new stadium when he split it with Jets to save money and saddled the fans with an ugly monstrosity because of the need to compromise.  Say what you will about Jerry Jones, but I've read some about the design process he went through, and he produced a magnificant stadium for Cowboy fans.