Quarterbacks

[uconnjack8]

Have any of you watched a bit of Cam Ward?  I haven't seen any of his games but see highlights and wondering if people feel like his game will translate to the NFL.

[T200]

Tim,

You can try to play the "I told you so" card, but I am not buying it.  The DJ that we saw at the end of the 2022 season when he was playing very well and won an impressive game in Minnesota.  The 2022-2023 was a crossroads for Jones.  Schoen could have shored up the O-line and fixed the O-line coaching issues (and maybe not struck out on 3 O-line draft picks) and built on DJ's new-found self-confidence, or he could ignored the issue and subjected DJ to such a beating he suffered two major injuries in the season and lost all confidence and seems to be suffering PTSD from the beating (that Monday night opener was brutal and it made no sense for Daboll not to pull him at some point).  So you can keep saying "I told you so", but no amount of spin will have me change how I see things.

So you guys got what you wanted, Jones will be gone. Enjoy post Daniel Jones NYG.

Rich,

I'm not sure why you're so adamant about painting people in such a negative light. No one is claiming "I told you so." Your defense of Jones is so aggressive that anyone who offers an opposing view gets attacked by you. Then, when we respond, you claim victim. Can't have it both ways. And that's just real talk. You claim to be open-minded but that last statement says it all.

Please remind me how much different the offensive line was between 2022 and the six games Jones played to start 2023. How is it that "he was playing very well and won an impressive game in Minnesota" behind that line but struggled mightily to start the season?

[Stringer Bell]

They blew it this year by taking a receiver, albeit a potentially great one, when they needed the most important position on the field upgraded. You can't put the cart before the horse. The three the Giants could have drafted might all be better than next year's group. And whoever they drafted, 2024 was always going to be a bridge year. A write off. Now what? QB hell.

What should they have done? They tried to trade up for a QB. You can't force other teams to make a trade.

And then when their pick came, the options were an elite WR or 3 QBs with significant warts - one who hasn't seen the field and early reports aren't promising, one who is hurt, and one who is starting for a winning team but is not playing well.

If Nix is evaluated honestly, this entire board would say the Broncos are winning in spite of him and would give credit to their defense.

So again, what should they have done? I would have drafted Nabers.

[MrGap92]

What should they have done? They tried to trade up for a QB. You can't force other teams to make a trade.

And then when their pick came, the options were an elite WR or 3 QBs with significant warts - one who hasn't seen the field and early reports aren't promising, one who is hurt, and one who is starting for a winning team but is not playing well.

If Nix is evaluated honestly, this entire board would say the Broncos are winning in spite of him and would give credit to their defense.

So again, what should they have done? I would have drafted Nabers.

I can't speak of Nix since I haven't watched a single Broncos snap, but I agree with the first part. Can't force a trade, they tried, no one was interested or willing.

May as well get an elite player to help the next QB when they arrive, presumably next year.

Nabers was 100% the correct call I think also.

[TDToomer]

What should they have done? They tried to trade up for a QB. You can't force other teams to make a trade.

And then when their pick came, the options were an elite WR or 3 QBs with significant warts - one who hasn't seen the field and early reports aren't promising, one who is hurt, and one who is starting for a winning team but is not playing well.

If Nix is evaluated honestly, this entire board would say the Broncos are winning in spite of him and would give credit to their defense.

So again, what should they have done? I would have drafted Nabers.

I too am fine with Nabors over the remaining QBS at #6 but I need to ask a question about sometime you wrote.

If the Broncos are winning in spite of Bo Nix then why aren't we winning in spite of Daniel Jones? I guess having the 3rd ranked defense makes a difference.

[Philosophers]

I think it's McCarthy's team so they let Darnold walk.

It would be surprising if they turn back to Darnold and re-sign him but with that said, I don't think it'll be shocking.

No way Vikings let Darnold walk with the way he and the team are playing plus I dont think he's on an expensive contract.  Am sure they'd develop JJ hard and just go year by year sort of like Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love.

[MightyGiants]

Rich,

I'm not sure why you're so adamant about painting people in such a negative light. No one is claiming "I told you so." Your defense of Jones is so aggressive that anyone who offers an opposing view gets attacked by you. Then, when we respond, you claim victim. Can't have it both ways. And that's just real talk. You claim to be open-minded but that last statement says it all.

Please remind me how much different the offensive line was between 2022 and the six games Jones played to start 2023. How is it that "he was playing very well and won an impressive game in Minnesota" behind that line but struggled mightily to start the season?

Tim,

You can attack me personally for not seeing the Jones situation as you do, but that won't change how I see things either.  I am not this wild, aggressive man with crazy views about Jones you try and paint me to be; my views simply don't align with your views of the man.  That is just the reality of the situation.

[T200]

Tim,

You can attack me personally for not seeing the Jones situation as you do, but that won't change how I see things either.  I am not this wild, aggressive man with crazy views about Jones you try and paint me to be; my views simply don't align with your views of the man.  That is just the reality of the situation.

Please highlight where I specifically attacked you, Rich.

You can't just say stuff like that and expect people to take it. I will forever refute it, especially when it's against me.

I'm out.

[Giantleap56]

There are no franchise QBs in this class that screams playoffs or championships. Taking a QB in this draft in the first round is a massive crap shoot. Will look to draft a QB in the second third round. Draft the best available player in the first rounds. Go into next season with Lock and DeVito. Lose as many games as possible and draft your franchise QB in 2026.

[MightyGiants]

There are no franchise QBs in this class that screams playoffs or championships. Taking a QB in this draft in the first round is a massive crap shoot. Will look to draft a QB in the second third round. Draft the best available player in the first rounds. Go into next season with Lock and DeVito. Lose as many games as possible and draft your franchise QB in 2026.

Part of the problem is Schoen has made some win-now moves, like the Brian Burns trade and signing.  Losing as many games next season as possible is not really a viable strategy (since owners still need to sell tickets).  If the Giants believe 2026 is when they will get themselves a franchise QB, a more viable strategy would be to try and trade away as many 2025 draft picks for future picks as possible (easier said than done when there are no real QB prospects for teams to crave) to position them to be able to trade up for their QB in 2026.   

[EDjohnst1981]

No way Vikings let Darnold walk with the way he and the team are playing plus I dont think he's on an expensive contract.  Am sure they'd develop JJ hard and just go year by year sort of like Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love.

Maybe but he's only going to want a long term deal, he's going to be in that Jones/Mayfield type bracket. I'm not sure the benefits of the rookie deal can be felt with Darnold being paid.

[TONKA56]

Would the Patriots be willing to deal Milton?

[MightyGiants]

Please highlight where I specifically attacked you, Rich.

You can't just say stuff like that and expect people to take it. I will forever refute it, especially when it's against me.

I'm out.

Tim,

Maybe I did come on too strong in response to your initial disagreement.  I am depressed over the state of the team and its future prospects, so I am not in the best of moods discussing this team. I will confess that I am still a bit defensive after a poster yesterday tried to put me down by misrepresenting my views on DJ over the years so that he could try and paint himself as better than me.  It's not ideal when I have to defend myself instead of my views on the team, but attacking me seems to be the go-to move for a handful of posters, and that reality makes me a bit too defensive.

Still, no reason not to try and give people the benefit of the doubt.  In the end, you see Jones as always being a bad QB (which is a bit odd because I remember you once telling me you were a former Jones supporter), and I see Jones as a QB who had potential but has lost all confidence on the field thanks to team mismanagement in 2023.  We could debate the issue, but I doubt we will agree.

[MightyGiants]

Would the Patriots be willing to deal Milton?

Maybe, but I will say I still have serious doubts about the guy.  I can't help but look at his physical abilities and wonder why he wasn't a starter for so many years at the college level.   I suspect there is something in his mental makeup that we are not privy to.

[TONKA56]

Maybe, but I will say I still have serious doubts about the guy.  I can't help but look at his physical abilities and wonder why he wasn't a starter for so many years at the college level.   I suspect there is something in his mental makeup that we are not privy to.

Yeah I'm not saying it's a great plan, more just something interesting to talk about. 🤔