I haven't been sold on it before, but I think the Giants need to hire Belichick

[GloryDays]

I would really like it if he would be hired as an expert to interview and finally hire the right GM and coaches that would lead this team correctly. Maras are clueless and they are not the right people to choose such a demanding and technical position.

[Fletch]

Meanwhile I love these people mocking B Belichek's draft choices. He never once picked high for years, and one draft his first pick was in the 3rd round in like 2018 I believe.

What coach would do well picking that low?

[Painter]

Like Nick Saban, Little Bill should be satisfied to have retired and bask in past glory rather than to have just "parted ways". But hopefully either way, we will have seen the end of Mara "cronyism" without engaging any sort of bygone Kraftiness.

Cheers!

[AZGiantFan]

We would be lucky to get him as the HC.  Just like we were lucky to have Barkley all those years.

Funny how we can see things so differently.  IMO drafting him was a blunder.  Not that he wasn't a great player but the opportunity cost of spending a #2 pick on a RB was massive.  We see what Barkley did for us, but look at the great players at more impactful positions we passed on that were also great players at far more impactful positions.  Or the haul we could have gotten by trading the pick.

Or perhaps you were being sarcastic, in which I agree.

[AZGiantFan]

Bad luck had Gettleman drafting Barkley instead of Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.  Although in fairness both QBs may have been busts if they were forced to develop on the Giants teams at the time

Or Denzel Ward.  Or Bradley Chubb.  Or Quentin Nelson.  Or Roquon Smith.  Or Minkah Fitzpatrick.

All have had careers as good as, and in most cases better, than Saquon in positions of greater impact.  Then there are the players they could have drafted with the multiple picks they could have gotten by trading the pick.

[Fletch]

Or Denzel Ward.  Or Bradley Chubb.  Or Quentin Nelson.  Or Roquon Smith.  Or Minkah Fitzpatrick.

All have had careers as good as, and in most cases better, than Saquon in positions of greater impact.  Then there are the players they could have drafted with the multiple picks they could have gotten by trading the pick.

no Quentin Nelson -- who plays OG -- is not playing a position of greater impact than a guy who has the 2nd most yards from scrimmage ; the most TDs in first 4 weeks of the  season etc

What is with the Barkley hate. He did nothing wrong here.

[uconnjack8]

no Quentin Nelson -- who plays OG -- is not playing a position of greater impact than a guy who has the 2nd most yards from scrimmage ; the most TDs in first 4 weeks of the  season etc

What is with the Barkley hate. He did nothing wrong here.

I don't get it either.  If the team had a semi functioning passing game Barkley would have looked the same as he does this year.   

And I mean Bradley Chubb? His career has been as good as Barkley?  Big ding on Barkley is durability right?  Chubb has played in fewer games than Barkley.  In 6 years he is averaging just under 7 sacks per season. 

The Barkley pick would have been fine if it wasn't followed with picks like Kadarius Toney, DeAndre Baker, and Evan Neal. 

I think the uptick in Barkley comments is because some people really thought he was cooked and wouldn't be successful in Philly.  Now that he is and especially with the performance against the Giants, some @sses are chapped.

[MrGap92]

no Quentin Nelson -- who plays OG -- is not playing a position of greater impact than a guy who has the 2nd most yards from scrimmage ; the most TDs in first 4 weeks of the  season etc

What is with the Barkley hate. He did nothing wrong here.

They could have had Nelson and Chubb instead of Barkley and Hernandez

Considering the OL issues, Nelson, an All Pro and one of the best at what he does, would have absolutely had a greater impact.

[Fletch]

They could have had Nelson and Chubb instead of Barkley and Hernandez

Considering the OL issues, Nelson, an All Pro and one of the best at what he does, would have absolutely had a greater impact.

Yea but why do I have a feeling it would have been ; "see they are trying to run it back with Eli and draft a guard too high in the draft" if they drafted Nelson.

And sorry not buying that "just a running back" who had more TDs through the first 4 weeks of the NFL and second most yards from scrimmage is of less impact as a Guard.

And if you drafted Chubb -- you would have had to take him with the number 2 overall pick. So what were you going to do about QB then? And what rebuild begins with taking a Linebacker #2 overall in the draft?

Your realistic options in an all out rebuild would have been to either draft a QB and you would have had to get it right with Lamar jackson or Josh Allen. And that is with the benefit of hindsight. You could have also drafted Darnold or Josh Rosen!

Let's face it this whole running it back with Eli as the reason we are stuck at 2-4 ; and a Daniel Jones playing like a back up for 40 mil a year -- the argument just does not hold any water.

[uconnjack8]

They could have had Nelson and Chubb instead of Barkley and Hernandez

Considering the OL issues, Nelson, an All Pro and one of the best at what he does, would have absolutely had a greater impact.

Could have had Christian Darrisaw and AJ Brown rather than Kadarius Toney and DeAndre Baker.  If they got Darrisaw they would never have drafted Evan Neal and instead drafted Garrett Wilson, Kyle Hamiltion, Trent McDuffie or Kenyon Green.

Drafting a guy providing 30% of your offense too early was not the problem for the last 5 years.  Drafting multiple complete no-shows in the 1st round was.

[Painter]

It does seem that had Gettleman taken QB Sam Darnold, the most likely choice at No.2 overall instead of his "destined for a gold jacket" RB Saquon Barkley, we Giants fans would have experienced much the same results in the 7 years since the 2018 Draft.

Let me begin my thesis by reminding the good folks here that Ed Vette was the ONLY person who promoted the Giants' drafting of Wyoming's Josh Allen, subsequently taken by Buffalo with the 7th pick. While there were some making a case for Josh Rosen, who has come to define the B-word, there was nothing of the kind for Lamar Jackson, who the Ravens chose as the last man standing in Round 1.

What happens now and in the future for former Giants Barkley and the three never Giants QBs is of no consequence to us today beyond useless handwringing over their current "success" in having 5 wins (Eagles 4 and a Bye) in 7 weeks vs the Giants 2. One thing we do know is that whatever Barkley gives the Eagles going forward, he was a major component in the Giants 31-64-1 record during his 6 seasons.

In any case, there is absolutely nothing to gained in disinterring the past so as to engage a woulda coulda shoulda post-mortem except to display just how silly we can be even as a means of deflecting our Little Bill as... position.

Cheers!

 

[AZGiantFan]

no Quentin Nelson -- who plays OG -- is not playing a position of greater impact than a guy who has the 2nd most yards from scrimmage ; the most TDs in first 4 weeks of the  season etc

What is with the Barkley hate. He did nothing wrong here.

I thought I made it clear that my beef wasn't with Barkley it was with Gettleman selecting him at #2 when far better options were available.  I don't see how that equates to Barkley hate.  Nor do I see where I said he did anything wrong, I said Gettleman did wrong, so it's more like Gentleman hate.

Through no fault of his own Barkley's production never lived up to the starry-eyed description of gold jacket touched by God Gettleman view.  But my point is that even if he had it still would have been a bad pick.

[Fletch]

I thought I made it clear that my beef wasn't with Barkley it was with Gettleman selecting him at #2 when far better options were available.  I don't see how that equates to Barkley hate.  Nor do I see where I said he did anything wrong, I said Gettleman did wrong, so it's more like Gentleman hate.

Through no fault of his own Barkley's production never lived up to the starry-eyed description of gold jacket touched by God Gettleman view.  But my point is that even if he had it still would have been a bad pick.

It still would have been bad even if he played like a pro bowl/ all pro player?   

I think people are just too hung up on their fantasy football rules or something. Barkley is an app pro level player, and yes was worth it. Unless you were drafting diamond-in-the-rough Alen or gimmicky Jackson and  which was all you knew back then. But you only should draft a tackle like Neal or a CB like Baker in the 1 st rnd.

[AZGiantFan]

Meanwhile I love these people mocking B Belichek's draft choices. He never once picked high for years, and one draft his first pick was in the 3rd round in like 2018 I believe.

What coach would do well picking that low?

Who traded away the 1st and 2nd rounders that left him with the 3rd rounder as his first pick?  This argument is like the guy who murdered his parents and then begged for mercy because he was an orphan.

[MrGap92]

Who traded away the 1st and 2nd rounders that left him with the 3rd rounder as his first pick?  This argument is like the guy who murdered his parents and then begged for mercy because he was an orphan.

Let us not let facts and logic influence our thoughts.