I want a new HC with a vertical passing game and new QB

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Mel Kiper thinks they should ban 2 deep safeties?  Is this a joke?  Its the dumbest commentary I have ever read from a supposedly informed person.

Competent offenses run all over 2 deep safeties and force a safety into the box.  The idea that the rules should change because teams are stopping the deep passing is ridiculous at best. 

The Giants are not dead last in scoring offense because Mel Kiper's right about 2 deep safeties. 

No one is saying it all on Daniel Jones but he is definitely a large contributor and has shown this year he is very challenged to throw an accurate deep ball.

Last night I watched Burrow (won't mention how much pressure he is under regularly) drop a pass into Ja'Marr Chase's hands while he was running full speed and didn't have to turn or slow down.  He easily ran for a TD.  Now go look what happened when Jones threw a similar pass to that afforementioned WR "Slayton. He is a bottom tier #2 receiver".  It was basically the same throw on the same route and Slayton had to slow down and turn to catch it.  So even though it was a 25+ yard completion and a big play, it wasn't a good throw.  A good throw would have resulted in a TD.  Its not going to show in too many stats, but that is one way Jones is limiting this offense.  I don't know how many safeties were deep on that play but the TD was there for the having if the QB would have thrown an accurate pass. 

I heard Bill Polian talking about Jones the other day.  I have a ton of respect for Polian and his opinion was that Jones gets too much blame for the Giants offensive woes, although he deserves some. I felt he was being hyperbolic about fans and media laying all of the blame on Jones which maybe I am wrong about.  But he ended his comments with this:  "Daniel Jones is a competent NFL QB.  He can play the position in the NFL.  Will he take you to the promise land?  I doubt that."

And that last part pretty much sums it up. If you put the best talent in the league around Jones you would probably get a competitive team that could not get over the hump and win a championship.

That part in bold is why stats must be taken with a grain of salt. Too many plays like that end up being a FG instead of a TD.

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That part in bold is why stats must be taken with a grain of salt. Too many plays like that end up being a FG instead of a TD.

Yes or drive killers like the 4th down pass to Slayton in a previous week that was thrown to his hip/rear end.  Announcers couldn't stop talking about the great coverage, but the throw was in a perfect place for the defender (who did have good coverage) to break it up.  A pass that leads Slayton there is a 1st down and potentially a lot more. 

There is obviously other problems with the offense, but I think we have seen enough to be able to say Jones is limited.  I think his adequate or average arm strength (which is what I think he has) does not allow him to drive the ball down field in open air environments.  I convinced myself his arm would be good enough but I think I made a mistake with that.  A plus arm was always a requirement in the old Giants stadium and I think its the same with the new stadium. 

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That part in bold is why stats must be taken with a grain of salt. Too many plays like that end up being a FG instead of a TD.

There was a 3rd and 7 play (I forget the game) where Jones had Slayton wide open for a potential TD on a go route and instead checked down to Daniel Bellinger who ended up breaking a tackle and getting a first down. The Giants ended up missing a field goal and turned 7 points into 0. In the stat sheet, that play is a 1-1 and a 3rd down conversion, but arguably cost us 7 points.

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The Giants are not dead last in scoring offense because Mel Kiper's right about 2 deep safeties. 

The Giants can't run because teams stack the box and force Jones to beat them over the top, it has been going on for 6 years and he can not do it consistently.

Until he can do it consistently it will not change. 

A QB must be able to take what is being given and that in itself is Jone's problem.  He does not always recognize what is being presented, assuming he does he can not take the necessary steps built inot the offense to beat it.