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The Giants record since 2019 with and without Daniel Jones

Started by MightyGiants, November 04, 2024, 12:43:02 PM

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MightyGiants

I have seen a lot of fans try and blame Jones for all the losses the team has had.  So I figured I would look at the team's record with and without Daniel Jones.   I used ESPN for the stats and I assigned games to the QB with the highest amount of passing yards for the game (that's how ESPN lists the QB of record for a given game.

So having run the numbers

With Jones

23.5-43.5  for a winning average of .350

Without Daniel Jones

7-18 for a winning average of .280
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Ed Vette

In context, Eli had a lot of successful 9-7 seasons. a .5625%.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

MightyGiants

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 04, 2024, 12:47:36 PMIn context, Eli had a lot of successful 9-7 seasons. a .5625%.

I made a mistake in my math (I corrected it, but the team still has a better record with DJ than without).
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Ed Vette

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 04, 2024, 12:50:44 PMI made a mistake in my math (I corrected it, but the team still has a better record with DJ than without).
Oh, so in the words of Gilda Radner, "Never mind."
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

uconnjack8


MightyGiants

Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 04, 2024, 12:57:14 PMWho has said that DJ is the only problem? 

I didn't say, "DJ is the only problem"; I said, "A lot of fans blame DJ for all the losing."
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Doc16LT56

1. You're comparing Jones to his backups. Bring in a starter next season and let's see how they do.

2. It looks like you're missing some games.

With Jones. 68 starts. 24 wins.  0.358 winning percentage

Without Jones. 24 games. 7 wins. 0.291 winning percentage

Eli: 1-3
McCoy: 1-1
Glennon: 0-4
Fromm: 0-2
Webb: 0-1
Tyrod: 2-3
DeVito: 3-3

Doc16LT56

According to Stat Muse, Daniel Jones has the 17th worst winning percentage in NFL history of QBs with at least 68 starts. He has a good chance to crack the top-10.

MightyGiants

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 04, 2024, 01:14:05 PMAccording to Stat Muse, Daniel Jones has the 17th worst winning percentage in NFL history of QBs with at least 68 starts. He has a good chance to crack the top-10.

Still, the stats I provided show that the team more than Jones is the issue
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Doc16LT56

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 04, 2024, 01:23:58 PMStill, the stats I provided show that the team more than Jones is the issue
No, that's not what it shows. It shows the Giants need a legitimate starting QB, not Jake Fromm or anyone like that.

If anything the stats show that very few QBs in NFL history have gotten this many opportunities to consistently lose so much.

MightyGiants

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 04, 2024, 01:26:29 PMNo, that's not what it shows. It shows the Giants need a legitimate starting QB, not Jake Fromm or anyone like that.
Simply put the stats show the team was better with Jones than without Jones.  Hell, even Eli Manning did worse than Jones with the terrible teams
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Doc16LT56

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 04, 2024, 01:27:49 PMSimply put the stats show the team was better with Jones than without Jones.  Hell, even Eli Manning did worse than Jones with the terrible teams
The team would be better with Jones than with me or you at QB. So what. It's a useless data point because none of those names would ever be identified as a potential future starter for a contender.

MightyGiants

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 04, 2024, 01:30:24 PMThe team would be better with Jones than with me or you at QB. So what. It's a useless data point because none of those names would ever be identified as a potential future starter for a contender.

I notice you ignored the whole Eli did worse thing
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Doc16LT56

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 04, 2024, 01:31:39 PMI notice you ignored the whole Eli did worse thing
Yes he immediately retired after that season. I wonder why.

MightyGiants

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 04, 2024, 01:32:28 PMYes he immediately retired after that season. I wonder why.

He was playing for a lousy team that wasn't getting any better
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