Bobby Johnson

[Brooklyn Dave]

The Giants fired Bobby Johnson because of poor performance by the OL and poor player development . Now Johnson is the OL Coach for The Commanders and they have one of the best pass protection and Pass blocking lines in the NFL.

What does that ytell you ?

[uconnjack8]

What metric are they ranked that way?

[kartanoman]

The Giants fired Bobby Johnson because of poor performance by the OL and poor player development . Now Johnson is the OL Coach for The Commanders and they have one of the best pass protection and Pass blocking lines in the NFL.

What does that ytell you ?

I think it tells me the team "formerly known as the Redskins" do not have a string of dominoes on the offensive line that,if one goes down, they all follow suit.

That and they have some hard-nosed, bruising backs that like to run over people (NOTE: missing guys like Brandon Jacobs in the Giants backfield).

Peace!

[kingm56]

The Giants fired Bobby Johnson because of poor performance by the OL and poor player development . Now Johnson is the OL Coach for The Commanders and they have one of the best pass protection and Pass blocking lines in the NFL.

What does that ytell you ?

The obvious...coaches are only as good as their talent. I scoffed at the notion our line was going to tangibly improve under a new OL coach.  Specifically, I gave our line a D+ in the pre season, based on minor improvements in talent acquisitions.  Given the line was ranked 26th before Thomas' injury.  I think that was fairly accurate. The giants need to overhaul the right side this off season. 

[MrGap92]

It tells me Ben Bredeson, Evan Neal, Tyre Phillips, Justin Pugh and whoever played C for JMS when injured, are not very good.

[T200]

The Giants fired Bobby Johnson because of poor performance by the OL and poor player development . Now Johnson is the OL Coach for The Commanders and they have one of the best pass protection and Pass blocking lines in the NFL.

What does that ytell you ?

They also have a QB who has excellent pocket presence and awareness, protects the ball, is very decisive and deliberate without taking more time than is needed to deliver the ball.

The same way a solid pass rush helps the secondary so they don't have to cover as long, a QB who delivers the ball quickly helps the offensive line so they don't have to block as long.

[MightyGiants]

The Giants fired Bobby Johnson because of poor performance by the OL and poor player development . Now Johnson is the OL Coach for The Commanders and they have one of the best pass protection and Pass blocking lines in the NFL.

What does that ytell you ?

This is an interesting question.   I mean, there was clear evidence for and against Bobby Johnson.  There was the one player that left the Giants for a couple of months, re-signed and appeared to be a better player.   There were 3 draft busts and one draft meh all under Bobby Johnson who presumably had input in the pick and was responsible for developing them.   There was last season when the O-line was often confused and failed to pick up their assignments and other issues.

It's possible Bobby is okay with veteran O-linemen but weak in developing and coaching young O-linemen.  It's possible the Giants gave him chicken poop and wanted chicken salad.  It's possible it was an issue with the organization's general dysfunction.  It could be the better QB the Commanders have.  It could be better general offensive coaching. 

Without having a better peak behind the curtain and 1925 Giants Way and with the Bills (BJ's prior job) and the Commanders, I feel like I am speculating while lacking enough information to make the speculation all that meaningful.

[Giant Jim]

If Johnson was the problem, why did they need to bring in several new offensive linemen after each of his seasons? They brought in 3 new starters for Carmen Bricillo to work with after he left. I laughed at the people blaming Johnson last year.

[Giantleap56]

They also have a QB who has excellent pocket presence and awareness, protects the ball, is very decisive and deliberate without taking more time than is needed to deliver the ball.

The same way a solid pass rush helps the secondary so they don't have to cover as long, a QB who delivers the ball quickly helps the offensive line so they don't have to block as long.

I think Tyrod and Danny DeVito would disagree. They would tell you the receivers led the league in lack of separation. They were given the least amount of time to throw. There was a massive drop in OL play from the previous year. The injury to Thomas on opening day didn't help matters. There was no quality in OL depth they were literally calling people to play OL off their couch.

[T200]

I think Tyrod and Danny DeVito would disagree. They would tell you the receivers led the league in lack of separation. They were given the least amount of time to throw. There was a massive drop in OL play from the previous year. The injury to Thomas on opening day didn't help matters. There was no quality in OL depth they were literally calling people to play OL off their couch.

We're talking two different things.

[sooners56]

I have watched several of the commanders games and have mentioned on here several times that Daniels has all day back in the pocket due to his Oline. Their line had been way better than the Giants Oline. Talent upgrade compared to the Giants Oline is why I believe Johnson is doing well. Talent is needed and the Giants as a whole just don't have much of it.

[uconnjack8]

Does Daniels have all day because teams are trying to keep him in the pocket?  He is a guy that is very dangerous with his legs and teams rush those guys differently at times. 

Maybe it has been the players and the coach for the OL, but this years OL seemed (when Thomas was on the field) much more competent.  I witnessed with regularity the OL handling stunts and twists like professionals as opposed to the last couple of years where the result was too often a sack followed by OL looking at each to try and figure out who should have blocked the guy.

[MrGap92]

Maybe Daniels isn't running into pressure or creating sacks that aren't the OL fault?

[Giant Jim]

Does Daniels have all day because teams are trying to keep him in the pocket? 

Jones is dangerous out of the pocket too.

[MightyGiants]

Maybe Daniels isn't running into pressure or creating sacks that aren't the OL fault?

PFF has a stat that assigns the QB blame for a percentage of pressures

DJ is 17.2%

Daniels is 15%

Daniels is 2% better, but that wouldn't explain the O-line disparities.