“Don’t be afraid to coach your good players”

[MightyGiants]

Interesting commentary by Carl Banks (ref bad habits Nabers is developing) directed at Brian Daboll.  I will confess, I have listened to Carl Banks for years, I never heard him directly address the head coach before.


https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1856393136701854010


Thanks to Bobby Skinner for posting this

[MightyGiants]

Carl Banks released this with more of his thoughts on Coach Daboll

https://x.com/CarlBanksGIII/status/1856405375483777030


Listening to it, I couldn't help but think of @Ed Vette and his comments about how, as a leader, it's easier for a tough coach to lighten up than it is for a player's coach to get tough.

[Giant Obsession]

I have listened to Banks and Papa for years.  Their insight is impeccable.

And for the last 4 or 5 games you can actually hear the disgust both have with this team.  I do applaud John Mara for not enforcing any kind of filter.  Mara does not shy away from criticism.

[Ed Vette]

Carl Banks released this with more of his thoughts on Coach Daboll

https://x.com/CarlBanksGIII/status/1856405375483777030


Listening to it, I couldn't help but think of @Ed Vette and his comments about how, as a leader, it's easier for a tough coach to lighten up than it is for a player's coach to get tough.

You remembered that.

[Trench]

I have listened to Banks and Papa for years.  Their insight is impeccable.

And for the last 4 or 5 games you can actually hear the disgust both have with this team.  I do applaud John Mara for not enforcing any kind of filter.  Mara does not shy away from criticism.

Problem is Banks lectured us for years about Jones. And he was 100% wrong about him

[MightyGiants]

Problem is Banks lectured us for years about Jones. And he was 100% wrong about him

He is only wrong if you believe the incorrect assertion that Jones isn't the same QB.   They addressed this very issue on the show and stated quite strongly Jones is shot, what they described is what I described-  The man is seeing ghosts.   Jones is not the same quarterback who had 24 TDs and 12 INTs in his rookie season, which wasn't even a full 16 games.

[MightyGiants]

I listened to the entire episode.   Banks essentially argues that Daboll is the right coach because he is good at the Xs and Os but then spends most of the episode pointing out all the flaws and urging the coaches to be tougher.   Carl talks about how much the players love playing for Daboll, then talks about the lack of attention to detail.

Carl was really down on Nabers, he talked more (outside the earlier clips) about bad habits he is developing.  Clearly Carl or the coaches have seen something they don't like in Nabers and likely is the cause for him becoming invisible.

I will say this about Carl's defense of Daboll:  I already mentioned Ed's assertion about how difficult it is for player-friendly coaches to be tougher (as Carl urged Daboll and other coaches to do).  I read all three of the books Tom Coughlin has written.  I feel like I have really gotten to understand how Coughlin was so successful.  While Daboll has his players enjoying ping pong and pool in the locker room, Tom Coughlin would be lecturing his players on earning the right to win and teaching them to focus on the small details (the overlooked details that Carl was urging the Giants coaches and players to focus on) because it's the small details that means the difference between winning and losing those close games.

[MightyGiants]

[Ed Vette]

I listened to the entire episode.  Banks essentially argues that Daboll is the right coach because he is good at the Xs and Os but then spends most of the episode pointing out all the flaws and urging the coaches to be tougher.  Carl talks about how much the players love playing for Daboll, then talks about the lack of attention to detail.

Carl was really down on Nabers, he talked more (outside the earlier clips) about bad habits he is developing.  Clearly Carl or the coaches have seen something they don't like in Nabers and likely is the cause for him becoming invisible.

I will say this about Carl's defense of Daboll:  I already mentioned Ed's assertion about how difficult it is for player-friendly coaches to be tougher (as Carl urged Daboll and other coaches to do).  I read all three of the books Tom Coughlin has written.  I feel like I have really gotten to understand how Coughlin was so successful.  While Daboll has his players enjoying ping pong and pool in the locker room, Tom Coughlin would be lecturing his players on earning the right to win and teaching them to focus on the small details (the overlooked details that Carl was urging the Giants coaches and players to focus on) because it's the small details that means the difference between winning and losing those close games.

If you take care of the small details, the big things take care of themselves. Getting to meetings early, wearing a suit when traveling, holding a ball properly, hand placement, watching the ball into your hands...

If the HC isn't into pounding away on the details, then he better have assistants that do.

When a laissez-faire Coach or Manager/Executive has to come down hard because things have gotten out of hand, those under their command will revolt, all of a sudden not knowing this person that they liked but never really respected. It was easy for Coughlin to ease off because the foundation was set in place with expectations and repetition. Andy Reid has the right complementary staff so he can focus more on one side of the ball. Daboll has become distracted with play design and play calling to see what needs to be instilled in a young team. So they have gotten sloppy and undisciplined. If you notice, it's not the veterans like Thomas or Dex, it's the younger players. This is where Kafka needed to step up and fill the void, but apparently he isn't that guy either. Look at the success that Dan Campbell has had with a young team.

It's nice if they like you, but it's more important that they respect you. Sometimes you can have both.

[Ed Vette]

Furthermore, when Nabors is allowed to shoot his mouth off to the press and throw his teammates and Coaches under the bus, it sends a signal out to the rest of the team that this disgruntled behavior is acceptable. Daboll needed to sit him down and close the door. Sit him for a quarter if need be. This is what Banks is referring to.

[MightyGiants]

If you take care of the small details, the big things take care of themselves. Getting to meetings early, wearing a suit when traveling, holding a ball properly, hand placement, watching the ball into your hands...

If the HC isn't into pounding away on the details, then he better have assistants that do.

When a laissez-faire Coach or Manager/Executive has to come down hard because things have gotten out of hand, those under their command will revolt, all of a sudden not knowing this person that they liked but never really respected. It was easy for Coughlin to ease off because the foundation was set in place with expectations and repetition. Andy Reid has the right complementary staff so he can focus more on one side of the ball. Daboll has become distracted with play design and play calling to see what needs to be instilled in a young team. So they have gotten sloppy and undisciplined. If you notice, it's not the veterans like Thomas or Dex, it's the younger players. This is where Kafka needed to step up and fill the void, but apparently he isn't that guy either. Look at the success that Dan Campbell has had with a young team.

It's nice if they like you, but it's more important that they respect you. Sometimes you can have both.

That is an excellent point, a head coach needs the respect of his players, not their love or like.  Belichick was one of the most respected HCs in history, but he wasn't exactly liked or loved by his players because he was demanding.  Hell, Brady (who learned from Belichick what it took to win) had success down in Tampa.  Yet this offseason, I heard of former Bucs complaining that it wasn't fun playing with Tom Brady.

It's funny you mention Andy Reid since his DC Spags is from the Coughlin coaching tree.

I am also wondering if Daboll has the needed attention to detail or if he can instill that in his players.  It seems to me that why you can blame the players for not getting the little things right; focusing on the little things tends to be a culture thing, and culture is a leadership thing.

[MightyGiants]

Furthermore, when Nabors is allowed to shoot his mouth off to the press and throw his teammates and Coaches under the bus, it sends a signal out to the rest of the team that this disgruntled behavior is acceptable. Daboll needed to sit him down and close the door. Sit him for a quarter if need be. This is what Banks is referring to.

Banks also mentioned the WR position.  While his loose lips are a serious issue, I suspect Nabers is also getting sloppy with his routes and assignments.

[Ed Vette]

Banks also mentioned the WR position.  While his loose lips are a serious issue, I suspect Nabers is also getting sloppy with his routes and assignments.

I'm not seeing that. Maybe during the week it's apparent in game prep.

[T200]

If you take care of the small details, the big things take care of themselves. Getting to meetings early, wearing a suit when traveling, holding a ball properly, hand placement, watching the ball into your hands...

If the HC isn't into pounding away on the details, then he better have assistants that do.

When a laissez-faire Coach or Manager/Executive has to come down hard because things have gotten out of hand, those under their command will revolt, all of a sudden not knowing this person that they liked but never really respected. It was easy for Coughlin to ease off because the foundation was set in place with expectations and repetition. Andy Reid has the right complementary staff so he can focus more on one side of the ball. Daboll has become distracted with play design and play calling to see what needs to be instilled in a young team. So they have gotten sloppy and undisciplined. If you notice, it's not the veterans like Thomas or Dex, it's the younger players. This is where Kafka needed to step up and fill the void, but apparently he isn't that guy either. Look at the success that Dan Campbell has had with a young team.

It's nice if they like you, but it's more important that they respect you. Sometimes you can have both.

This was my fear when he decided to take over OC duties; he'd lose focus of the team and concentrate mainly on the offense. To me, that, along with potentially losing the locker room, will lead to his dismissal.

The one way I can see him staying is if Schoen tells him to give the OC hat back to Kafka or hire a new OC.

[Ed Vette]

This was my fear when he decided to take over OC duties; he'd lose focus of the team and concentrate mainly on the offense. To me, that, along with potentially losing the locker room, will lead to his dismissal.

The one way I can see him staying is if Schoen tells him to give the OC hat back to Kafka or hire a new OC.

Is there any reason not to turn the play calling back to Kafka? He's calling a better game but it hasn't produced better results.