Why Giants should not give up on Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll

[MrGap92]

I found this to be a fair and balanced read from the NYP. The critiques are well deserved, but in my opinion not fire and clean house worthy. They deserve a chance with a new QB along with another round of FA and drafting a few more pieces.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/12/sports/why-giants-should-not-give-up-on-joe-schoen-and-brian-daboll/

Elevating Daniel Jones became Plan B for Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll after their failed attempt to land Drake Maye as their own first franchise quarterback.

It has not happened.

It has not happened even after drafting Jones his first No. 1 receiver in Malik Nabers and building an experienced offensive line and Daboll taking over the play calling.

So at 2-8, a shrill segment of the fan base has already arrived at this conclusion: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

But just because the Daniel Jones Era is about to end doesn't mean the Joe Schoen-Brian Daboll Era needs to end.

Barring a Joe Judge-ian calamity across these last seven games, the last thing John Mara and Steve Tisch need is another GM and coaching search upheaval ...

Unless Daboll starts talking the way Judge infamously did at the end about former Giants telling him they wish they could come back, or not seeing any golf clubs in the locker room.

Unless the Giants turn into some clown show operation by the end of the season, let Schoen and Daboll finish this rebuilding job with a new franchise quarterback who can bring hope

"The goal all along," Schoen said on Tuesday, "was to build something that's sustainable, and to do that, it takes time."

Patience is not a virtue in the NFL outside of Pittsburgh.

It certainly hasn't been a virtue inside 1925 Giants Drive since Tom Coughlin left the building.

Schoen acknowledges that he has made his mistakes, and Daboll has made his mistakes, and so The Great Debate on their futures is fair.

But hear me out:

Schoen inherited a mess. A personnel mess and a salary cap mess.

It should not be forgotten he fielded a team that won the club's first playoff game since 2011 with his handpicked Coach of the Year in Year 1 when Jones appeared to be ascending.

You can blame him in hindsight for ultimately keeping the $40 million quarterback — for two years — at the expense of paying Saquon Barkley, yes.

You can blame Daboll to some degree for Jones' regression, yes.

"We're 2-8. It's not all on one person," Schoen said.

No one wants to disrespect Jones for the class person he is and the quarterback he tries so hard to be. It's never on one person, but winning and losing in the NFL is on the quarterback more than it is on any other position, and Schoen and Daboll know it. Ask Daboll about Josh Allen. Ask Josh Allen about Daboll.

The Great Debate about the regime's future is fair and understandable:

Until further review, Schoen whiffed on Evan Neal. He is watching the hand of God touch Barkley. Deonte Banks has not made any second-year leap. Xavier McKinney is in the Defensive Player of the Year conversation.

But there is reason for the Giants to be excited about second-round safety Tyler Nubin. There is reason for the Giants to be excited about running back Tyrone Tracy Jr., a fifth-round pick. Same with cornerback Dru Phillips, a third-rounder, and tight end Theo Johnson, a fourth-rounder.

And using the sixth pick on a dynamic playmaker such as Nabers and resisting the temptation to settle for JJ McCarthy was the right decision.

Schoen and Daboll are on the same page, and a GM and Coach who share a vision and a philosophy is critical, especially now. "The team is staying together," Schoen said.

Schoen has a deep front office bench. "I believe in the people in the building," he said. "I believe in our process. I believe where we're going. Building it, sometimes it hurts and it's painful and it's hard to go through it.

"But we're going in the right direction."

Schoen recognized the need to build up the trenches and trade for a cornerstone pass rusher in Brian Burns. He will have to eat crow for as long as Barkley runs wild as an Eagle and McKinney is intercepting passes for the Packers, but his philosophy does not cater to the running back and safety positions.

He has locked up left tackle Andrew Thomas and nose tackle Dexter Lawrence. Kayvon Thibodeaux, his 2022 first-round pick, recorded 11.5 sacks last season. The free-agent signings of Jermaine Eluemunor and Jon Runyan Jr. have given the Giants their best offensive line in ages. Free-agent linebacker Bobby Okereke had 149 tackles last season and 75 this season.

Mara has told us he anticipates no regime change and Schoen tells us he expects to be back. "We're not far off," Schoen said.

Give them the chance to prove that they are a Jayden Daniels, a C.J. Stroud or a better franchise quarterback off from the meaningful progress and sustainable success Mara and all Giants fans crave.

[T200]

Much of that has already been echoed here. Hopefully they get the opportunity.

[bamagiantfan]

We sometimes forget that getting rid of a coach or a player is the easy part that only gets you half way to where you want to go, if that. The constant churn at Coach was part of the problem before Daboll got here. I can still remember the calls for Coughlin to be fired and while I understood it, we have to be careful what we wish for. This team has been looking to get all the puzzle pieces to fit together ever since.

Change isn't always the best answer.

[uconnjack8]

"Elevating Daniel Jones became Plan B for Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll after their failed attempt to land Drake Maye as their own first franchise quarterback."
 

wondering, if they cannot get the QB they want this year and don't draft one, do they get another year?  How many do they get to draft and develop a QB?