An insight into the McKinney departure

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1857414175967875422

[H-Town G-Fan]

https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1857414175967875422

It seems like Schoen has his valuation of players and isn't afraid to make and offer based on that and stick with it (similar to the Love and Barkley situations). Not fun to lose talented players, but I can at least get on board with the approach to business.

[MightyGiants]

It seems like Schoen has his valuation of players and isn't afraid to make and offer based on that and stick with it (similar to the Love and Barkley situations). Not fun to lose talented players, but I can at least get on board with the approach to business.

Of course, this is paired with being able to anticipate the market and if your valuation is likely to keep a player (otherwise, trade them away).  One thing we saw in Hard Knocks was Schoen undervaluing the free agent market.

[EDjohnst1981]

Good on JS for attempting to re-sign him. I actually think interceptions are almost a meaningless personal statistic. They are often fortunate in nature, a tipped ball here and you're in the right place - but if the ball wasn't tipped - you're not close. See also Tracey, he probably should have snagged the ball vs Carolina but he doesn't and it falls into his arm as he's trying to make a tackle. The D man isn't trying to catch the ball yet is credit with a huge success anyway. Right place. Right time.

Don't get me wrong, they are important from a team standpoint, but for the individual skill set - I'm less than convinced by their importance. Cf Bland last year with the Cows he went on an incredible run early in the season they feasted on little throughout the rest of the season.

[EDjohnst1981]

It seems like Schoen has his valuation of players and isn't afraid to make and offer based on that and stick with it (similar to the Love and Barkley situations). Not fun to lose talented players, but I can at least get on board with the approach to business.

I don't fully disagree. But for me the Love situation was basically Love v Slayton and the latter helped DJ more, so he got the deal.

That aside, I agree. He was value on players and won't go above it.

[MightyGiants]

Good on JS for attempting to re-sign him. I actually think interceptions are almost a meaningless personal statistic. They are often fortunate in nature, a tipped ball here and you're in the right place - but if the ball wasn't tipped - you're not close. See also Tracey, he probably should have snagged the ball vs Carolina but he doesn't and it falls into his arm as he's trying to make a tackle. The D man isn't trying to catch the ball yet is credit with a huge success anyway. Right place. Right time.

Don't get me wrong, they are important from a team standpoint, but for the individual skill set - I'm less than convinced by their importance. Cf Bland last year with the Cows he went on an incredible run early in the season they feasted on little throughout the rest of the season.

I think it was in Hard Knocks (when talking about Nubin) that Joe Shoen (or one of the other NYG front office staff) talked about ball hawking (i.e., making interceptions), which was a trait that transferred well from college.