NYG going with DeVito bump their odds of picking #1 from 12% to 21%

[MightyGiants]

Despite your self proclaimed levels of football acumen

The fact that you felt the need to qualify with "self-proclaimed" strongly implies I don't have football acumen (and you are hardly the only one to suggest this on this forum).  While you and others seem to enjoy mocking and pointing out mistakes and belittling my hard-earned knowledge, there are people outside this echo chamber of a forum who comment on football for a living and who recognize the value of my well-informed opinions.

you and the side you sit on were widely incorrect on Daniel Jones being the Franchise QB of the New York Giants.

Until the end of the 2022 season, I felt DJ wasn't given a proper chance to prove himself to be a franchise QB (and frankly, at this point, that is likely still proven a correct assertion on my part).

It also requires denying (without a shred of sound evidence) that tDJ may have lost the confidence followed by the abilities due to the beating and injuries suffered in 2023.  I am not going to take your approach and suggest other possibilities do exist, but clearly, for your claim to be true, one MUST make claims that are frankly not grounded in fact.  Still, I get it, based on what I consider to be poor form demonstrated by the "I told you so crowd" being fair in evaluations was easily trumped by the desire to gloat and put those that disagreed down.

The inability of people to own their mistakes, admit they were wrong, and ultimately apologize for cultivating a notion of 'haters,' in my opinion (which impacts both the worldview and that of football forums), is why so many conversations are contentious rather than cooperative.

The "haters" narrative does not reflect a forum where such labeling was strongly discouraged.  It's also a bit self-serving, in my opinion, to ignore the "DJ Lover" (or its variants) label that was frequently tossed around or the common pejorative of "Oh, you are just making excuses for DJ"

If you want validation for always being down on DJ, well, congrats, you were right. The team is without a franchise QB.  DJ, for whatever reason, crashed and burned after a pretty good 2022 (this is statistically factual).  Regardless of how it played out, your predictions of Daniel Jones' future with the Giants were (to the detriment of the team) proven correct.

For what it's worth, this entire discussion reminds me of this quote from a man who was not unintelligent


Albert Einstein — 'I'd rather be an optimist and a fool than a pessimist and right.'

[MightyGiants]

I get what you are saying, but we are fans on a message board that Jones will never read.  We are not at the stadium mocking him as he leaves or going to house and telling him how much he sucks or harassing his family members.

Fair point, although I will add I am not a big fan of talking smack about people behind their back either.  I appreciate the case for no harm, but I just see it as bad form.

[EDjohnst1981]

The fact that you felt the need to qualify with "self-proclaimed" strongly implies I don't have football acumen (and you are hardly the only one to suggest this on this forum).  While you and others seem to enjoy mocking and pointing out mistakes and belittling my hard-earned knowledge, there are people outside this echo chamber of a forum who comment on football for a living and who recognize the value of my well-informed opinions.

Until the end of the 2022 season, I felt DJ wasn't given a proper chance to prove himself to be a franchise QB (and frankly, at this point, that is likely still proven a correct assertion on my part).

It also requires denying (without a shred of sound evidence) that tDJ may have lost the confidence followed by the abilities due to the beating and injuries suffered in 2023.  I am not going to take your approach and suggest other possibilities do exist, but clearly, for your claim to be true, one MUST make claims that are frankly not grounded in fact.  Still, I get it, based on what I consider to be poor form demonstrated by the "I told you so crowd" being fair in evaluations was easily trumped by the desire to gloat and put those that disagreed down.


The "haters" narrative does not reflect a forum where such labeling was strongly discouraged.  It's also a bit self-serving, in my opinion, to ignore the "DJ Lover" (or its variants) label that was frequently tossed around or the common pejorative of "Oh, you are just making excuses for DJ"

If you want validation for always being down on DJ, well, congrats, you were right. The team is without a franchise QB.  DJ, for whatever reason, crashed and burned after a pretty good 2022 (this is statistically factual).  Regardless of how it played out, your predictions of Daniel Jones' future with the Giants were (to the detriment of the team) proven correct.

For what it's worth, this entire discussion reminds me of this quote from a man who was not unintelligent


Albert Einstein — 'I'd rather be an optimist and a fool than a pessimist and right.'

And whilst I thank you for the acknowledgement or still can't help yourself with a tiny dig at the end and the impression I was 'down' on DJ - in Gameday threads, I praised him when he did well and criticised when he played poorly. Sadly, the latter occurred more than the former.

Nevermind, you're correct. We are currently without a franchise QB. It's a shame this happened today rather than in 2022 but there we are. Bad decisions come home in all walks of life.

[MightyGiants]

And whilst I thank you for the acknowledgement or still can't help yourself with a tiny dig at the end and the impression I was 'down' on DJ - in Gameday threads, I praised him when he did well and criticised when he played poorly. Sadly, the latter occurred more than the former.

Nevermind, you're correct. We are currently without a franchise QB. It's a shame this happened today rather than in 2022 but there we are. Bad decisions come home in all walks of life.

I can't speak to what you said or didn't say on the game thread as I stopped following that thread years ago due to what what I felt was overwhelming and unfair negativity towards Jones.   It got so bad that I just stopped following.  It was bad enough to see my favorite team struggle...

[LennG]

LOL, I have known Len for over 20 years, and I can't recall a single point over that period when I agreed with him.  So, I think you picked the wrong person to cite in support of your position (at least when discussing it with me)


I will add something that struck me.  @T200 in the Giants dropped from 2nd pick in the draft thread about the randomness and unpredictable nature of the draft and predicting the success and failures of NFL players when pointing out (correctly, in my opinion) that we shouldn't take Bill Belichick's commentary as fact.  Suppose we accept that Bill Belichick's views shouldn't be accepted as fact despite his nearly unmatched football acumen. Why would a single belief about a player (with many outside variables involved) suddenly prove (or disprove) the football acumen of a particular poster?

Again, this is my worldview, but football acumen is hard-earned. It takes time and effort to learn the game of football at a higher level.  Suggesting that saying a quarterback is a bum proves you are a football expert, which is akin to declaring one a roulette expert because you put your money on Red 8 and you won.  Still, this extreme focus on right or wrong is why so many conversations are contentious rather than cooperative.

I will also strongly disagree with your efforts to deny what I said at the time of the contract, as I am not in the habit of lying.

That is your loss.

[MightyGiants]

That is your loss.

 

[T200]

And whilst I thank you for the acknowledgement or still can't help yourself with a tiny dig at the end and the impression I was 'down' on DJ - in Gameday threads, I praised him when he did well and criticised when he played poorly. Sadly, the latter occurred more than the former.

Nevermind, you're correct. We are currently without a franchise QB. It's a shame this happened today rather than in 2022 but there we are. Bad decisions come home in all walks of life.

We've been without a franchise QB for the past 6 years. The end of an error is upon us.

[Painter]

Lenn,

What was it you said about moving on? The inability of some to do just that is at the heart of the matter, and sadly also of my all too frequent cynicism about what I read here.

Cheers!

[spiderblue43]

I still rhink the epitaph on DJ's tenure will be him falling down against the Eagles..the turf tackle..that should have a great highlight. Ouch.

 Had the measurables..not the execution..ever. and it only got more troubling when the team needed him most. Yada yada about his coaches..the line..he never improved...his awareness..presence..any passion. Nice guy..good person that the Giants held onto and invested too much in.

[MrGap92]

We've been without a franchise QB for the past 6 years. The end of an error is upon us.

Eli has here in his rookie campaign.

Slayton has his best game as a pro with Eli throwing to him 

[T200]

Eli has here in his rookie campaign.

Slayton has his best game as a pro with Eli throwing to him 

True, but we know that was the end of Eli's career.

[MrGap92]

True, but we know that was the end of Eli's career.

Sadly

[LennG]

Sadly

Sadly yes, but not to a few on this board who made sure everyone knew every mistake Eli made and were thrilled when he was gone. Sure, the new guy was better, Daniel Jones. Ask a few of them now and they will still insist Jones had the ability to be better.
In a pig's arse.

[MrGap92]

Sadly yes, but not to a few on this board who made sure everyone knew every mistake Eli made and were thrilled when he was gone. Sure, the new guy was better, Daniel Jones. Ask a few of them now and they will still insist Jones had the ability to be better.
In a pig's arse.

His 6 years in the NFL, along with his time at Duke, or being a 0 start recruit out of high school, all confirm the pigs arse comment to be true. He was never any good

Great guy, high character, apprecate the effort, just never had the ability.

[Painter]

Instead of dicking around with something as silly as the notion of DeVito increasing the Giants chance of picking No.1 overall from 1 in 8 to 1 in 5, let assume they do in fact end up with the first pick. Oh boy, assuming it to be a Quarterback, or even maybe not, won't that be an exercise in turbidity?

Considering recent behavior around here, we may have to change our name to Big Blue Muddle or better yet, to Big Blue Whine and Jeez.

Cheers!