We Need A QB But…

[brownelvis54]

Dont stretch in draft for a QB just because of need.  If we draft 5th and we dont like the QB options, then draft BPA.  We need more talent.  We get the QB when one is in the right position.

Agreed, but I would still want the Giants to draft the best QB available, when we pick in round 2. Maybe we draft a bust? Or a long term back up, perhaps we get lucky. 2nd round is worth the chance. Dart or Beck, Milroe...etc

[katkavage]

It's a crapshoot but when you have neglected the position for too long you have to shoot some crap. Especially if you are on the hot seat as the Giants GM and coach most definitely are.

[uconnjack8]

If they don't draft a QB in 2025, should they start shopping Dexter Lawrence to get picks for 2026?

I say that because his contract is up in 2027 and at that point he will be closing in on 30. 

He is probably my favorite Giant right now, but if they are not going to draft a QB until 2026 and not look to be competitive until 2027, why keep him? 

[MightyGiants]

It's a crapshoot but when you have neglected the position for too long you have to shoot some crap. Especially if you are on the hot seat as the Giants GM and coach most definitely are.

Fair point about the neglect.  Since drafting DJ in 2019, they haven't so much as even taken a flyer on a day 3 developmental prospect

[Trench]

If they don't draft a QB in 2025, should they start shopping Dexter Lawrence to get picks for 2026?

I say that because his contract is up in 2027 and at that point he will be closing in on 30. 

He is probably my favorite Giant right now, but if they are not going to draft a QB until 2026 and not look to be competitive until 2027, why keep him? 

Ouch. I'd just rather not even think about this.

But in all honesty you are probably on to something.

[MightyGiants]

Ouch. I'd just rather not even think about this.

But in all honesty you are probably on to something.

@uconnjack8 is.   Guys as big as Dex tend to have a limited shelf life.  After 28, you are living on borrowed time, so to speak.  They might continue to play well, but they can just as easily drop off a cliff unexpectedly.  He is currently 27

[Philosophers]

Fair point about the neglect.  Since drafting DJ in 2019, they haven't so much as even taken a flyer on a day 3 developmental prospect

Agreed, but I would still want the Giants to draft the best QB available, when we pick in round 2. Maybe we draft a bust? Or a long term back up, perhaps we get lucky. 2nd round is worth the chance. Dart or Beck, Milroe...etc

I love that idea if a highly productive college QB with solid traits is there.  Gambling and failing in round 2 is
are way easier to stomach then a round 1 failure.  If we get a QB in round 2 and get a stud OT, DT, DE, WR, I'd be thrilled.

[Painter]

Currently, we are stumbling all over the place in guessing what Schoen and Daboll will do in the Draft or otherwise. I would not expect that to change even as the 2025 Draft itself takes place. Moreover, whatever they choose to do then or later, and however successful, it will be heavily a result of chance. Still, it is certain that by then most folks here will have picked a horse to ride. However, I don't think that I will be one of them.

But I am sure that Joe Schoen will be the GM leading the team in doing the picking. I am also pretty sure that Daboll will still be the Head Guy on the field. However, with a few notable exceptions, when are coaches and GMs not in an uncomfortable owner-appeasing, job sustaining position? Not for very long for HCs, the median number of firings a year over quite a long stretch is about 8.

It's not quite as bad for GMs as they are more directly linked to the owner. Ernie Accorsi was a GM for 18 years, his last 9 with the Giants. None of his teams ever won a championship although the Giants came close in losing a Super Bowl in 2000.

Ernie was followed for the next 11 years by Jerry Reese who had great success in the first half of his tenure with his Giants winning 2 Lombardis although some might bestow more of the credit on Tom Coughlin. Sadly, Reese's pieces took on a sour taste over his last 5 seasons ending with a 3-13 debacle and his departure in 2017.

Of course, the cronyism continued with the then choice of Dave (The Bloviator) Gettleman, under the cover of a supposed search and rescue by Ernie. That's been a persistent tale since before and after the Commissioner's Mara arm-twisted George Young era.

In any event, everyone would/should know how I felt within minutes of Gettleman's appointment beginning and hopefully ending with the Daniel Jones- through no fault of his own- trap.

Cheers!
 
 

[Philosophers]

I have a silly predisposition generally against non-first round QBs as they typically do little in the NFL.  That said if we can accumulate talent with great picks, not sacrifice picks to move up and still land a young QB say as a 2nd or 3rd rounder or FA signing, we could make a leap.

I cant help but think a Will Campbell, Mason Graham, Will Johnson type talent or maybe another top WR would be a great building block then see a player like Jalen Milroe slide back to end of first round or a Jaxon Dart is available at top of round 2, and we grab him then.

If Giants have conviction of a QB at 5 or wherever they pick in 1st, I'm all in but they cant't f!?k this up.

[B1GBLUE]

Dont stretch in draft for a QB just because of need.  If we draft 5th and we dont like the QB options, then draft BPA.  We need more talent.  We get the QB when one is in the right position.

this is my fear. we are going to be picking high and in position to draft one of the top qb's in this class. problem is...last year any of these guys are 2nd round at best. You cant overdraft a qb a round or 2 early...again. That would mean we learned nothing from Jones. Trade down or take a generational talent like one of those cb's.

[TDToomer]

I have to say I am stunned at how willing some of you are to give away our best players. I guess we should have traded Strahan after the disastrous 2003 season when we were rebuilding yet I can't recall any Giants fans making such a suggestion. Whatever happened to loyalty? Dexy has given everything to this poorly run organization and have seen the playoffs once.

There is no reason why he can play into this 30's. He's playing at an MVP level and has never missed more than a game per season. Snacks and Darnold played until their age 32 season. Strahan age 35.

[MrGap92]

I have to say I am stunned at how willing some of you are to give away our best players. I guess we should have traded Strahan after the disastrous 2003 season when we were rebuilding yet I can't recall any Giants fans making such a suggestion. Whatever happened to loyalty? Dexy has given everything to this poorly run organization and have seen the playoffs once.

There is no reason why he can play into this 30's. He's playing at an MVP level and has never missed more than a game per season. Snacks and Darnold played until their age 32 season. Strahan age 35.

Some of the people suggesting they trade him, are some of the same people bashing Schoen for trading players away 

Trading Azeez, Barkley, Slayton, I understand those suggestions for various reasons. Dex is one of if not the best at what he does and shoudl not be in those same conversations.

[uconnjack8]

Some of the people suggesting they trade him, are some of the same people bashing Schoen for trading players away 

Trading Azeez, Barkley, Slayton, I understand those suggestions for various reasons. Dex is one of if not the best at what he does and shoudl not be in those same conversations.

My question and wondering about it started the conversation and  had to do with the idea that the Giants don't draft a QB in 2025 and then TRY and get one in 2026.  His contract is up after the 2027 season, which theoretically would be the young QBs sophomore campaign.  So the thought process is do you think Dexter Lawrence will be the same player in 2028 and still on the Giants?  He will be 30 and could have some great years ahead of him, but no guarantees obviously. 

He is also one of the few players who could garner some serious draft capital in a trade. 

I don't think anyone said to trade him.  I asked if it should be considered given the points of those that think chasing a QB this year is likely not gong to work out.  I am not a believer that signing one of the vets on the market is going to make this team a contender.  I think it could make the team better and draft later in 2026, but not compete for a championship.

 

[Painter]

for what it's worth, and the college prospects still have time to put more on tape (especially in college playoff games), Dane Brugler said if you combined this QB class with last year, the top 4 would all come from last year (Williams, Daniels, Maye, and JJ) and the top QBs in this class are on par with Penix and Nix.

While I wouldn't credit any one of the punditi, there does seem to be a broad consensus in the media that this will be a weak QB Draft whether compared with last years or not. But then whether premature, rash or otherwise, predictability is not a Draft-friendly construct.

Cheers!

[Philosophers]

While I wouldn't credit any one of the punditi, there does seem to be a broad consensus in the media that this will be a weak QB Draft whether compared with last years or not. But then whether premature, rash or otherwise, predictability is not a Draft-friendly construct.

Cheers!

Larry - I will want to wait til after the season's over to judge.  Caleb Williams has been declining.  Daniels looks good and Bo has had moments but this class is far from looking like the '84 class at least as of late.