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This mock draft will make a couple of members here happy

Started by MightyGiants, November 22, 2024, 02:58:56 PM

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MightyGiants

I know @Jclayton92 has been advocating for him.  I believe one or two others (I don't remember who) also were advocating for him.   Until now, I haven't heard him mentioned much as a potential top-10 QB.  After hearing about him on our forum, I have reviewed some scouting reports that got me excited to learn more about him.


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expatriot

If there isn't a top flight true franchise level QB in the draft, then sign a stop gap vet and draft Oline and DT.  Build from inside out like real teams do.

MightyGiants

Quote from: expatriot on November 22, 2024, 03:35:48 PMIf there isn't a top flight true franchise level QB in the draft, then sign a stop gap vet and draft Oline and DT.  Build from inside out like real teams do.

From what I read about Milroe, he could prove to be another Lamar Jackson.
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Bill Brown

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 22, 2024, 03:48:23 PMFrom what I read about Milroe, he could prove to be another Lamar Jackson.

I've seen every game he has played at Alabama. The first year I wasn't very impressed. His 2nd year I thought his long passes were pretty good, his running was very good but his intermediate passes were hit or miss. This year his whole game has been very good and I also see a lot of Lamar in him. But what do I know. I was a big Daniel Jones fan.

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katkavage

Giants moved ahead of Cleveland after last night's Browns win. Got to keep losing while others win here and there. I see the Raiders, Panthers, and Titans ahead of the Giants. Not sure the Titans pick a QB. There are teams like Jax who play Tennessee so someone has to win. As long as the Giants keep losing they will have their pick of who they want. And I hope that is the case. Winning only hurts them for the future.


Philosophers

I have seen a lot of his play both this season and last.  He's got huge upside.  His accuracy is good and the man can run.  However this season he has (like the other QB prospects in 2025) had say 3 good games then 1 that feels average.  That inconsistency lends doubts especially with the talent around him.

What makes Sanders more intriguing is that he has much less talent around him and yet he is as successful.

brownelvis54

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Quote from: Philosophers on November 22, 2024, 06:01:13 PMI have seen a lot of his play both this season and last.  He's got huge upside.  His accuracy is good and the man can run.  However this season he has (like the other QB prospects in 2025) had say 3 good games then 1 that feels average.  That inconsistency lends doubts especially with the talent around him.

What makes Sanders more intriguing is that he has much less talent around him and yet he is as successful.


Less talent? Absolutely the most explosive WR Room in the Country for Sanders.


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Jclayton92

Quote from: Philosophers on November 22, 2024, 06:01:13 PMI have seen a lot of his play both this season and last.  He's got huge upside.  His accuracy is good and the man can run.  However this season he has (like the other QB prospects in 2025) had say 3 good games then 1 that feels average.  That inconsistency lends doubts especially with the talent around him.

What makes Sanders more intriguing is that he has much less talent around him and yet he is as successful.
His raw abilities remind me of a more mobile Josh Allen, rocket for an arm with a beautiful deep game with Lamar running ability. His Intermediate and short game need a year or so but I think you could win with him out the gate on his running and deep game to Nabers while Daboll works his short game.

After having a qb for so many years that didn't go down field, having a guy that is great deep and fearless would be welcoming.

A nucleus of AT, Nabers, Tracey, Milroe, and Robinson could be very appealing.

Philosophers

Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 22, 2024, 07:56:19 PMHis raw abilities remind me of a more mobile Josh Allen, rocket for an arm with a beautiful deep game with Lamar running ability. His Intermediate and short game need a year or so but I think you could win with him out the gate on his running and deep game to Nabers while Daboll works his short game.

After having a qb for so many years that didn't go down field, having a guy that is great deep and fearless would be welcoming.

A nucleus of AT, Nabers, Tracey, Milroe, and Robinson could be very appealing.

Agree Jess.  Josh Allen was I think a 59% pass completion in college.  Milroe is much better.  I really like him.  Brings no baggage.  Learned two systems.


Philosophers

Quote from: brownelvis54 on November 22, 2024, 07:45:28 PMLess talent? Absolutely the most explosive WR Room in the Country for Sanders.

Name someone other than he, his bro and Hunter.  Sanders has no OL, no good RB and an average D.  How many 5 stars on Comorado vs Alabama both starting and backups?




DaveBrown74

I don't quite get the Josh Allen comp for Milroe as Allen is an entirely different proposition from a height and build standpoint. One can like Milroe's arm and mobility but I'd probably pick other comps before I picked a guy who is 6'5" 240.

I'm not fully sold on Milroe myself. There have been games where I have been really impressed this year (the Wisco and UGA games come to mind) but others where I've thought he just looked ok. I certainly think he is NFL-worthy, and maybe he ends up being good, but at this point I don't regard him as a surefire prospect.

Philosophers

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 23, 2024, 07:10:34 AMI don't quite get the Josh Allen comp for Milroe as Allen is an entirely different proposition from a height and build standpoint. One can like Milroe's arm and mobility but I'd probably pick other comps before I picked a guy who is 6'5" 240.

I'm not fully sold on Milroe myself. There have been games where I have been really impressed this year (the Wisco and UGA games come to mind) but others where I've thought he just looked ok. I certainly think he is NFL-worthy, and maybe he ends up being good, but at this point I don't regard him as a surefire prospect.

100% fair assessment.  Feel that way about Sanders too.

Other position guys have some bear 100% certain of success.

MightyGiants

I am concerned about the reports I hear about consistency on this thread.  We learned from Daniel Jones the value of consistency; flashing talent isn't enough.

Now, I will admit this study will slightly favor the current QB class because they haven't finished the season.  Still, I figured I would use my access to PFF's premium college grades to sort of see how top QBs are in terms of consistency. 

Methodology:  With PFF okay QBs tend to grade in the high seventies.  Your really good QBs are graded in the 80s or better.  To measure consistency, I counted how many games the player graded below 75, and the number below 70 is an indication of a poor game and a QB who isn't consistently bringing their A game.

So here are the results compared to last year's QB prospects who are starting:

Caleb Williams-  <75- 4 <70- 2
Jayden Daniels-  <75- 2 <70- 0
Drake Maye-  <75- 4 <70- 3
Bo Nixe- <75- 2 <70- 2

Sanders- <75- 3 <70- 3
Ward-  <75- 3 <70- 2
Milroe- <75- 3 <70- 3

So, looking at the numbers, it doesn't appear this year's class is all that much more inconsistent than last year's class.  Now, admittedly, I wouldn't say this is a perfect study, but I think it's a reasonable indicator
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MightyGiants

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Quote from: Philosophers on November 22, 2024, 06:01:13 PMI have seen a lot of his play both this season and last.  He's got huge upside.  His accuracy is good and the man can run.  However this season he has (like the other QB prospects in 2025) had say 3 good games then 1 that feels average.  That inconsistency lends doubts especially with the talent around him.

What makes Sanders more intriguing is that he has much less talent around him and yet he is as successful.

I also used PFF to get a sense of the talent around Milroe.  These are team ranks for Alabama

Pass Blocking-  47th
Receiving- 17th
Rushing- 13th

As for individual offensive grades, Milroe leads his unit with an 89.1. Behind him, the scores drop with 3 having grades above 75 and the rest of the unit essential is ordinary to below average
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