One common theme with all post-Coughlin coaching hires

[T200]

Maybe the age of football has changed dramatically where now the owners are the ones who hire and fire. Could you ever imagine Goerge Young being told who Wellington wanted as a HC or how he should run the team? GY would have laughed in his face and walked out. But today, owners, like Mara and others, have to have final say in ever thing and most think they know football. but in reality, they don't. They are not talent evaluators, not capologists.

I don't know if it is even possible in this modern era of football, to hire a GM and let them do the work you are paying them to do and not have everything go thru the owner's suite. I think that's what has happened in Philly and look at them. I remember Lurie used to be an interferer, but he saw the light and hired maybe the best GM in the NFL. Look at what he has done for that team. I believe that is the big exception as now owners think they have to be part of the system instead of just sitting in their box and rooting.

Len,

You get it. 💯

[Giantleap56]

Bill Belichick and Mike Vrabel are the only coaches in this cycle with experience and winning records

I would add Brian Flores to the list. He had two winning seasons with the Dolphins in his two seasons.

[DaveBrown74]

I'd be very supportive of a Flores hire with a competent OC.

[Giantleap56]

I have pondered this before as I am sure others have, but one theme with all these coaching hires since the Coughlin firing is that not a single one is a guy who has had success in the NFL as a head coach before. The only hire that actually had head coaching experience was Shurmur, but he was unsuccessful in Cleveland. Every other hire was a first time head coach. Mara probably realizes this and is thinking about it.

Of course, there is no guarantee that when you're in the market for a head coach there will be anyone available who had meaningful success as a head coach in this league. Moreover, even if there is one, he may not be interested in the job. But this must have crossed Mara's mind at some point. This might be a motivating factor to try to go after Belichick if Mara were to fire Daboll.

I'm not sure where that would leave Schoen though. Is Schoen really going to be Belichick's boss? That sounds farcical. But would he really fire a GM after just three seasons, only two of which were actually bad? That seems unlike Mara and unlike the Giants. He let Gettleman hang around for four seasons, all of which were bad. Tricky.

I agree with you. The Giants have been treating the Head Coaching position as an entry level position and it should go to someone who is seasoned been there done that at a high level. Sometimes a rookie head coach catches lightning in a bottle sustainability is the key to a good coach. MacAdoo and Daboll did that but things unraveled quite quickly after their success. Judge was just bad. You want a coach that wants to coach the team no matter what he is given and I just don't see that with Daboll one thing I don't like is a needy coach. When they suck at coaching they want things my own quarterback. I need my own QB. This is the type of coach that will kill their next QB. I don't want Schoen and Daboll picking my next QB. And certainly don't want them near the next QB.

[kartanoman]

Maybe the age of football has changed dramatically where now the owners are the ones who hire and fire. Could you ever imagine Goerge Young being told who Wellington wanted as a HC or how he should run the team? GY would have laughed in his face and walked out. But today, owners, like Mara and others, have to have final say in ever thing and most think they know football. but in reality, they don't. They are not talent evaluators, not capologists.

I don't know if it is even possible in this modern era of football, to hire a GM and let them do the work you are paying them to do and not have everything go thru the owner's suite. I think that's what has happened in Philly and look at them. I remember Lurie used to be an interferer, but he saw the light and hired maybe the best GM in the NFL. Look at what he has done for that team. I believe that is the big exception as now owners think they have to be part of the system instead of just sitting in their box and rooting.

As fans, we are solely vested in the on-field product.

As executives, Mara and Schoen are "primarily" vested in shareholder value, "secondarily" vested in the on-field product.

The Giants are the fourth (4) richest team in the NFL right now. In deference to the rest of the league, they are in an enviable position in the "Goodell Country Club." For fans, such as you and I, we get a substandard product, take it or leave it, and it won't matter because the NFL franchise business model no longer relies strictly on its fan base as its lifeline. More than it has ever been, the NFL operates as a single entity where Corporate America's investments fuel the business model and, one day, we will eventually see Global Business investors jumping into the NFL as well which will increase the values of teams tenfold  and likely much more.

At some point, the game itself will be dwarfed by the big name owners and the names Mara, Rooney and even Halas will be relegated to the history books.

What we are witnessing today is an owner who is completely torn between a rapidly evolving 21st century business model who is fighting the good fight of preserving his father's and grandfather's legacy of what has been the flagship franchise of the NFL. It's been part of the very fabric that was the original of the league and has been deemed sacred by historians of the game. However, as time passes, the future threatens its link to the history of the game where Mara is now caught in the middle. Do I continue to honor the mission statement of my father and grandfather before him? Or, do I break some of those Honorable agreements to bring my team into the modern age and let this team truly be part of the present and whatever the future may hold for it?

On some level, I have a feeling John is conflicted by the above. The real question is whether the league has outgrown the Giants. If it has, what should John do? What should Steve do?

If it interferes with modern day progress, what should they do?

Meanwhile, the cash register goes "cha-ching" and revenue keeps pouring in.

Peace!

[madbadger]

I have pondered this before as I am sure others have, but one theme with all these coaching hires since the Coughlin firing is that not a single one is a guy who has had success in the NFL as a head coach before. The only hire that actually had head coaching experience was Shurmur, but he was unsuccessful in Cleveland. Every other hire was a first time head coach. Mara probably realizes this and is thinking about it.

Of course, there is no guarantee that when you're in the market for a head coach there will be anyone available who had meaningful success as a head coach in this league. Moreover, even if there is one, he may not be interested in the job. But this must have crossed Mara's mind at some point. This might be a motivating factor to try to go after Belichick if Mara were to fire Daboll.

I'm not sure where that would leave Schoen though. Is Schoen really going to be Belichick's boss? That sounds farcical. But would he really fire a GM after just three seasons, only two of which were actually bad? That seems unlike Mara and unlike the Giants. He let Gettleman hang around for four seasons, all of which were bad. Tricky.

I will also point out that the only two successful Giant coaches post Parcells were Reeves and Coughlin. Both were very successful at prior stops. Everyone else was either a failed retread or a first time coach. NY is a tough place to coach and play. Having a guy who knows how to win is invaluable.

[LennG]

I will also point out that the only two successful Giant coaches post Parcells were Reeves and Coughlin. Both were very successful at prior stops. Everyone else was either a failed retread or a first time coach. NY is a tough place to coach and play. Having a guy who knows how to win is invaluable.

That's why I would love to see BB her e as our next coach. He checks all the boxes we have mentioned.

[madbadger]

That's why I would love to see BB her e as our next coach. He checks all the boxes we have mentioned.

It's a young man's game. I don't want a 73 year old head coach that wants to control everything and has a miserable w-l record without Tom Brady.

[kartanoman]

That's why I would love to see BB her e as our next coach. He checks all the boxes we have mentioned.

Hi Lenn.

You'd best start sending the man roses with love letters because I just don't see it.

73, a hot girlfriend at 24 years old, NFL special assignment roles, hanging out with Parcells and his fraternity of winning coaches. Probably making more money now than he was coaching. Why give that up for the headache dumpster 🔥 that is this Giants mess?

Especially with George Young's voice still in his head ... "You'll never amount to anything as a head coach." He spent a career fueled by that statement. Why would he come back to the organization when Wellington or Tim didn't fight to keep him?

He respects the Giants, and more so Parcells, for giving him the head start on his head coaching career. He will never say a bad thing about the Giants and I believe he does hold the team in high regard. But I don't feel he has it in him to come back. Psychologically, it would be a step backwards and, if he failed, it would be a blemish on his career he would regret tremendously.

I know you and others want him, Lenn, but he's not coming back. I'm sorry. He can't do it because of the way his coaching journey played out.

Peace!