Maybe the Giants shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st round

[T200]

The QB is not the problem for the OL.  The OL is the problem for the OL.

The QB is its own separate problem.

It's a symbiotic relationship. If a QB can get the ball out before the rush gets to him, everyone did their jobs. It boosts the confidence of all.

[kartanoman]

Of what value is a drafted rookie QB when the offensive front five act like a welcoming committee? The Giants can make far better use of their money in putting together the bones of an offense.

Exactly!

How about Kelvin Banks Jr. (Left Tackle, Texas)?

Peace!

[Doc16LT56]

It's a symbiotic relationship. If a QB can get the ball out before the rush gets to him, everyone did their jobs. It boosts the confidence of all.

This is true. But the question was about roster building. Do you "fix" the OL and then look for your QB? Or do you get your QB now (if possible) while simultaneously working on the OL, possibly exposing a young QB to a weak OL?

[MightyGiants]

It's a symbiotic relationship. If a QB can get the ball out before the rush gets to him, everyone did their jobs. It boosts the confidence of all.

When four different QBs have had problem with the O-line (DJ, Tryod, DeVito, and Lock) you start to think it's an O-line issue

[Philosophers]

It's a symbiotic relationship. If a QB can get the ball out before the rush gets to him, everyone did their jobs. It boosts the confidence of all.

I agree it is a symbiotic relationship.  The second part simply isn't true.  If the play is a downfield 12 yarder first option but the QB did not have time as an OL player did not sustain his block so QB has to dump it to a RB for a 2 yard gain then no, the OL did not do its job.

I see too many pass plays where the pocket is breaking down as soon as the ball is hiked.  That is 100% on the OL assuming they called the right protection.

[EDjohnst1981]

To be fair, the pass blocking was at least "alright" when both starting tackles were fit.

They massively dropped off when Thomas went down and the scrubs came in.

Edit: line depth is a must but I guess that's the case for 31 other teams too.

[MightyGiants]

To be fair, the pass blocking was at least "alright" when both starting tackles were fit.

They massively dropped off when Thomas went down and the scrubs came in.

Edit: line depth is a must but I guess that's the case for 31 other teams too.

I think you make some good points, Ed. However, it's worth noting that the team's second-round center is a significant part of the problem and one of the "backup tackles" is the team's seventh overall draft pick.

[uconnjack8]

It's tough because Brady and Mahomes won 7 of the last 10 Super Bowls. The other 3 are Peyton, Stafford, and Foles. Now that the Brady era has ended, it opens up more opportunities for other QBs... unless Mahomes goes on a two decade

 run.

Was really a tongue in cheek comment but not sure it came across that way.  Heard the stat and what you said were my 1st thoughts.

[EDjohnst1981]

I think you make some good points, Ed. However, it's worth noting that the team's second-round center is a significant part of the problem and one of the "backup tackles" is the team's seventh overall draft pick.

Yes, Neal is a bust - no question there.

Also agree that JMS has not improved from his tough rookie year.

As it stands today, Neal is likely a goner when his contract expires and JMS is playing well below the standard needed.

Both, as you say, are big problems.

[Philosophers]

To be fair, the pass blocking was at least "alright" when both starting tackles were fit.

They massively dropped off when Thomas went down and the scrubs came in.

Edit: line depth is a must but I guess that's the case for 31 other teams too.

Thomas simply cannot be counted on for lack of durability.  Why do folks here ignore that fact?  An All Pro who does not play is not a position with an All Pro player.  It's a backup's position.

I want Schoen gone because I don't trust his ability to pick consistently good talent.

[EDjohnst1981]

Thomas simply cannot be counted on for lack of durability.  Why do folks here ignore that fact?  An All Pro who does not play is not a position with an All Pro player.  It's a backup's position.

I want Schoen gone because I don't trust his ability to pick consistently good talent.

I'm not ignoring it.


Cool - Schoen didn't pick Thomas. Gettleman did.

[MightyGiants]

I'm not ignoring it.


Cool - Schoen didn't pick Thomas. Gettleman did.

That is true. Although, it's worth noting that Schoen signed Thomas to a big contract early, rather than waiting to see if early durability issues would prove to be a problem.   I appreciate that it's good process to lock up stars early to achieve a savings.  In this case, early hints of injury issues proved to be the precursor to bigger injury issues.

[EDjohnst1981]

That is true. Although, it's worth noting that Schoen signed Thomas to a big contract early, rather than waiting to see if early durability issues would prove to be a problem.   I appreciate that it's good process to lock up stars early to achieve a savings.  In this case, early hints of injury issues proved to be the precursor to bigger injury issues.

True but arguably that contract was cheaper as it was signed early.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Philosophers]

I'm not ignoring it.


Cool - Schoen didn't pick Thomas. Gettleman did.

I never said Schoen picked Thomas.  He picked Neal, JMS, Eze and McKethan and all are terrible or way below average plus many of his other picks have been terrible.

[DaveBrown74]

I can't recall a soul here who expressed even vague caution or uncertainty around the Thomas contract at the time. It was a uniformly applauded move. He was coming off an insane season and the team had been starved for a high end, foundational O lineman for a good decade plus.