When you watch the conditions Drew Lock had to work under

[MightyGiants]

Take your pick of Stafford, Goff, Mayfield, Darnold, or Wilson and this Offense looks totally different. Put in Daniels, Nix, or Maye and the Giants win that game too.

Playing QB is the most difficult position in team sports. Drew Lock is Daniel Jones with less playing experience. Go back and watch the game again and see all the opportunities he missed. Dropped passes, critical penalties, Tracy's rookie wall, and the Evan Neal factor handicapped the Giants no doubt, but this should have been a win.

Ed,

That's pure speculation in terms of what other QBs would do.  If Nix was back there, you would be saying he was another Daniel Jones/Drew Lock leaving plays on the field.  At some point you need to hold the coaching staff accountable for their coaching and their schemes.  If every QB Daboll puts on the field is leaving plays on the field. Eventually, you have to consider the scheme and the coaching.  Daboll's history shows outside of Josh Allen (who he took 3 years to finally get playing well) Daboll doesn't get the most out of the QB talent he has.

[Just_jimmy]

Any one rooting for the Giants from here on in, isn't a Giants fan.

Bitter pill to swallow but it's absolutely necessary, some of us have been on that train earlier than others, but we should be all in and full steam ahead to 'lose out to pick first' ville.

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[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1866157091703955719

[Trench]

Your assertion is flawed.   There are no sure thing NFL ready QBs, which is the foundation of your claim.   Teams draft QB prospects.   Best case it's a role of the dice.   If you don't have stability and quality in coaching and support in terms of reliable targets and some protection, the house is using loaded dice against you.   

A prime example:  Darnold threw 5 TDs yesterday.  Yet, due to dysfunction, Darnold was not the answer for the Jets nor the Panthers.


At the very least, the Giants need to upgrade their coaching if they want to maximize their success with drafting a QB.

I disagree Mighty. There have definitively been can't miss prospects who are sure thing QBs.

[MightyGiants]

I disagree Mighty. There have definitively been can't miss prospects who are sure thing QBs.

Yeah, Trevor Lawerence was one of them.  How has that worked out?

[Painter]

The Giants have been plagued for some time by bad luck, misfortune- call it what you will- but what happened with the blocked FG yesterday could prove to have been the opposite come next year's Draft. And that is something we hope may lead to an end of our sometimes tendency to be fooled by what is more often than not feckless Quarterback play.

Cheers!

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1866191410510098545

[TDToomer]

https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1866157091703955719

By Bobby's logic no team with the worst overall record should draft a QB then since the team won't ever improve. This is just a stupid take by him. You take the QB and build up from there. Without a franchise QB you are nothing.

[Trench]

Yeah, Trevor Lawerence was one of them.  How has that worked out?

So was Peyton, Eli, Elway, Luck. Lawrence is still young. Let's see what happens with him.

All I'm saying is I disagree with your first two sentences is all

[Ed Vette]

Ed,

That's pure speculation in terms of what other QBs would do.  If Nix was back there, you would be saying he was another Daniel Jones/Drew Lock leaving plays on the field.  At some point you need to hold the coaching staff accountable for their coaching and their schemes.  If every QB Daboll puts on the field is leaving plays on the field. Eventually, you have to consider the scheme and the coaching.  Daboll's history shows outside of Josh Allen (who he took 3 years to finally get playing well) Daboll doesn't get the most out of the QB talent he has.

Actually, it's speculation as to what they couldn't do. I see them making these plays every week. As to the play calls, you don't know the call or the progression. I guarantee it's not full progression. It's up to the QB to recognize if middle field is open or closed, how the Defense is aligned to his players, how they are shaded, if there is a defender in conflict, which Receiver has no chance, and if it's blitz, and where the hot read is or mismatches. Go back and look at how many times he had an open receiver and he didn't pull the trigger, let alone throw with anticipation. He just got himself in trouble drifting backward and into the pressure. Did you see how many hitches he made, moving around to receivers? He was overwhelmed and confused. They didn't need to score 40 points, just 17. 

As for holding others accountable? I have in the game thread.

"A special teams penalty away from winning the game. The team is not prepared in the details of the game and that's all on Daboll. Penalties and mistakes killing drives and losing games all year long.
How does Schoen not know and how does Daboll not provide input into the evaluation of Drew Lock. He's another QB who has difficulty processing, and holding on to the ball too long, missing the window to open receivers. So many opportunities lost yesterday. This 5 million dollar experiment is over. It was a nice story, but who scouted him before signing him?

It was desirable to have some consistency in a coaching staff, but it's very apparent that even though this team of backups played hard and Daboll hasn't lost the locker room, he's just a classic Peter Principle. I don't think it necessary to fire him in season but he's got to go. So does Kafka because while Daboll is pulling play calling duty, he's also responsible for the lack of execution and discipline of this team.

I disagree with blowing up the team. There are some good pieces in place. They just need to be coached. I also don't trust Schoen in this upcoming draft after he idiotically drafted a Receiver over a QB this year. That should have been his number one priority, and he should have been stocking up draft picks. All of you who were out of your minds for not getting anything for Barkley and McKinney, with him knowing he was never going to sign them were right.

It's not worth starting another thread over this. Let's just get this season over with and see what Mara and Company do about it. Nothing said here is gonna change the trajectory of this organization."

[Painter]

Simple answer, simple reason. Sam Darnold's 11-2 season so far still leaves him with a 32-37 record in his 7 years to date. Whereas, Jared Goff's 12-1 is merely adding on to not only his 12 wins last year but to his enormously impressive 78-51-1 QBrec over almost 9 years.

We ought not to embarrass Darnold with such a silly suggestion.

Cheers! 

[babywhales]

The team that trotted out there yesterday is NOT the team that trotted out there Week 1 this season and will not be the team that trots out there Week 1 next season.  They have a million guys on IR right now BY DESIGN.  They need this QB and when they get him all of a sudden the whole roster will be back the way it was at the start of the season along with any other additions.  It's not a fair comparison.

That is it right there 

[MightyGiants]

Actually, it's speculation as to what they couldn't do. I see them making these plays every week. As to the play calls, you don't know the call or the progression. I guarantee it's not full progression. It's up to the QB to recognize if middle field is open or closed, how the Defense is aligned to his players, how they are shaded, if there is a defender in conflict, which Receiver has no chance, and if it's blitz, and where the hot read is or mismatches. Go back and look at how many times he had an open receiver and he didn't pull the trigger, let alone throw with anticipation. He just got himself in trouble drifting backward and into the pressure. Did you see how many hitches he made, moving around to receivers? He was overwhelmed and confused. They didn't need to score 40 points, just 17. 

As for holding others accountable? I have in the game thread.

"A special teams penalty away from winning the game. The team is not prepared in the details of the game and that's all on Daboll. Penalties and mistakes killing drives and losing games all year long.
How does Schoen not know and how does Daboll not provide input into the evaluation of Drew Lock. He's another QB who has difficulty processing, and holding on to the ball too long, missing the window to open receivers. So many opportunities lost yesterday. This 5 million dollar experiment is over. It was a nice story, but who scouted him before signing him?

It was desirable to have some consistency in a coaching staff, but it's very apparent that even though this team of backups played hard and Daboll hasn't lost the locker room, he's just a classic Peter Principle. I don't think it necessary to fire him in season but he's got to go. So does Kafka because while Daboll is pulling play calling duty, he's also responsible for the lack of execution and discipline of this team.

I disagree with blowing up the team. There are some good pieces in place. They just need to be coached. I also don't trust Schoen in this upcoming draft after he idiotically drafted a Receiver over a QB this year. That should have been his number one priority, and he should have been stocking up draft picks. All of you who were out of your minds for not getting anything for Barkley and McKinney, with him knowing he was never going to sign them were right.

It's not worth starting another thread over this. Let's just get this season over with and see what Mara and Company do about it. Nothing said here is gonna change the trajectory of this organization."

The guy you called an a-hole agrees with your assessment


https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1866221760779112563

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1866222462884622358

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1866222786194096236

[todge]

So now we're "tanking" by putting guys on IR who could still play? We have no idea what the injuries actually are. But I have a real hard time believing players are told to fake injuries so the team can get a higher Draft choice. These guys want to play so they can pad their resume and ultimately make more money when they are eligible for Free Agency.


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[todge]

The guy you called an a-hole agrees with your assessment


https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1866221760779112563

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1866222462884622358

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1866222786194096236

One of the takeaways from Phil Simms' book Sunday Morning Quarterback is that all QBs "miss" open receivers and leave plays on the field. He went on to say that people can see open receivers on their TV, but a QB cannot. Defensive players are jumping in front of the QBs vision and rushing the QB. It's mayhem on the field yet we expect the QB to ignore all that.


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