What exactly should the expectations of a "QB Guru" be?

[MrGap92]

What do you think is either a realistic, and/or reasonable expectation of a QB Guru. It can be a HC, QB Coach, OC, whoever. But what does that term mean to you, and what do you expect from such a person.

Should they be expected to turn whatever individual you give them and turn them into a top level QB you can win with?

Do they need someone with talent, intangibles, etc for them to "mold"? (this is where I fall, this, and then for them to mold them into something one within a couple seasons, assuming it is a rookie being developed)

Should they be expected to turn a bad QB good?

Something else not mentioned?

What do you think, and why do you think it?

[T200]

I think a "QB Guru" takes whatever is there and elevates it. If the categories are:

Elite
Above Average
Average
Below Average
Poor

A QB Guru can elevate a poor QB to a below average QB, and so on up the ladder. There could be rare instances where coaching can take an average QB and get him to perform at an elite level. I think the coach unlocks the potential and builds on what the QB brings to the table.

Additionally, it's not just on the coaching. The QB has to be coachable/teachable. We're not talking master mechanic that can work on any type of engine and make it work. We're talking a coach and a pupil. Not all coaching styles are suited for all players.

[MrGap92]

I think a "QB Guru" takes whatever is there and elevates it. If the categories are:

Elite
Above Average
Average
Below Average
Poor

A QB Guru can elevate a poor QB to a below average QB, and so on up the ladder. There could be rare instances where coaching can take an average QB and get him to perform at an elite level. I think the coach unlocks the potential and builds on what the QB brings to the table.

Additionally, it's not just on the coaching. The QB has to be coachable/teachable. We're not talking master mechanic that can work on any type of engine and make it work. We're talking a coach and a pupil. Not all coaching styles are suited for all players.

Well said, I agree

[katkavage]

Daboll is so far from a QB guru it's laughable.

[MrGap92]

Daboll is so far from a QB guru it's laughable.

Then answer the question, whats a QB Guru to you, what do you expect from one, and why?

[katkavage]

Then answer the question, whats a QB Guru to you, what do you expect from one, and why?

I don't. There is no such thing.

[Philosophers]

I don't. There is no such thing.

So how did Tom Brady become the GOAT as what a 6th round pick and rather pedestrian college playing career?

All my himself?  Just "willed" it?  Took extra time in film room?

He did all that but with amazing coaching helping him and a great mutual rapport with those coaches.  Some of those coaches had some special gifts, at least special with him.

[katkavage]

So how did Tom Brady become the GOAT as what a 6th round pick and rather pedestrian college playing career?

All my himself?  Just "willed" it?  Took extra time in film room?

He did all that but with amazing coaching helping him and a great mutual rapport with those coaches.  Some of those coaches had some special gifts, at least special with him.

He had coaches. He didn't have gurus

[Ed Vette]

I have a friend who was considered a QB Guru, until he met Joey Harrington.

[Ed Vette]

AI pretty much nailed it.

A "QB Guru" typically refers to an expert or specialist in quarterback training, development, or analysis, particularly in American football. These individuals may focus on various aspects of a quarterback's skills, such as throwing technique, footwork, decision-making, game strategy, and mental preparation.

QB Gurus often work with young athletes, high school teams, or even professional players to help improve their performance. They might provide personalized coaching, create training programs, and offer insights on gameplay. Some may also analyze game footage to identify areas for improvement and help quarterbacks refine their skills. The term can also be used informally to describe someone who has extensive knowledge about quarterback play and strategies.

[Ed Vette]

Identifying where improvements are needed and how to put it all together in a system that is best suited for the QB is key. There are three important  aspects. Physical skills and mechanics, Mental acuity and processing, and understanding the system, playbook and implementation. A good QB Coach can simplify things in a way that's understandable for the player and get them to adapt a process that becomes second nature.

[T200]

Identifying where improvements are needed and how to put it all together in a system that is best suited for the QB is key. There are three important  aspects. Physical skills and mechanics, Mental acuity and processing, and understanding the system, playbook and implementation. A good QB Coach can simplify things in a way that's understandable for the player and get them to adapt a process that becomes second nature.

Folks may not appreciate it but Daboll did just that: checking down became second nature for Daniel, much to the detriment of the team. Unfortunately, that's all he was good at.

[Philosophers]

AI pretty much nailed it.

A "QB Guru" typically refers to an expert or specialist in quarterback training, development, or analysis, particularly in American football. These individuals may focus on various aspects of a quarterback's skills, such as throwing technique, footwork, decision-making, game strategy, and mental preparation.

QB Gurus often work with young athletes, high school teams, or even professional players to help improve their performance. They might provide personalized coaching, create training programs, and offer insights on gameplay. Some may also analyze game footage to identify areas for improvement and help quarterbacks refine their skills. The term can also be used informally to describe someone who has extensive knowledge about quarterback play and strategies.

That definition sounds exactly like what a QB Coach's description is for an MFL team.  The Guru part is when guys play much better and develop a lot.

[Trench]

Folks may not appreciate it but Daboll did just that: checking down became second nature for Daniel, much to the detriment of the team. Unfortunately, that's all he was good at.

The mistake with Jones and the checkdowns was the Giants made a mistake by (offering him the Checkdown)...once it was apparent it was all he would go to they should've taken it off the table as best they can.

[T200]

The mistake with Jones and the checkdowns was the Giants made a mistake by (offering him the Checkdown)...once it was apparent it was all he would go to they should've taken it off the table as best they can.

It was a no-win scenario for Daboll. They did their best to make DJ as productive as possible and maximize his skillset. That's the job of the coach; design a scheme built around the player's talents. Hence the dink-and-dunk.

Unfortunately it wasn't a viable offense for the long term. Teams had already figured it out by mid-season.

This season, they opened up the playbook and Nabers was getting over-targeted. But it didn't improve DJ's accuracy.