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If you Draft Sanders or Ward you do NOT sign a bridge QB

Started by killarich, December 15, 2024, 04:12:04 PM

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T200

Quote from: killarich on December 15, 2024, 06:54:57 PMIs there studies that show this works ?

What exactly is he learning? The flow of the game ? Coach player interaction ?

He can learn that under Devito

If we want a GOOd veteran who's had success in the league ... than that essentially is writing an expensive check for a bridge qb or a 6-10 game rental

My point is I think that money is better  spent else where

You are going to have to spend for someone like that ..... and at that point draft Travis Hunter and prey for Arch to fall to us next years draft

No qb is going to want to come here unless they are thinking they have a solid chance to start the whole season .....unless it's a qb of ummmmm Daniel Jones level who has something to prove .... And at that point I rather just roll with Devito and not spend the money on a Jones type of QB again when we could get an O-lineman for example
Studies, schmudies... we don't need no stinkin' studies!  ;)

Rodgers sat
Brady sat
Mahomes sat
Love sat
Eli sat

Then contrast that with rookies who started and struggled. There's no need to throw a rookie QB in the fire.
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uconnjack8

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Yeah, throw him out there no matter what.  If he isn't ready and misses an easy read on a blitzer off his blind side and gets hurt, that's just learning.

You throw a guy on the field who truly isn't ready and you run the risk of getting him and others hurt, him developing bad habits, his confidence being destroyed, and a few other things.  Then in two years the same people said throw him out there will be calling for him to be benched. 

If they get Sanders he may be ready to play week 1.  He may not be ready.

No matter who it is do the right thing and don't create a bad situation for the QB out of impatience.

There is candidates for all tastes for the "bridge" QB.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/qb


T200

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 15, 2024, 07:49:33 PMYeah, throw him out there no matter what.  If he isn't ready and misses an easy read on a blitzed off his blind side and gets hurt, that's just learning.

You throw a guy on the field who truly isn't ready and you run the risk of getting him and others hurt, him developing bad habits, his confidence being destroyed, and a few other things.  Then in two years the same people said throw him out there will be calling for him to be benched. 

If they get Sanders he may be ready to play week 1.  He may not be ready.

No matter who it is do the right thing and don't create a bad situation for the QB out of impatience.

There is candidates for all tastes for the "bridge" QB.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/qb


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Winston
Dalton
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Really, doesn't it depend on where he has been playing his college ball? If the program is really 'pro-ready' I throw him out there from day one. They are going to take their lumps, and I'd rather him learn on the job, than on a practice field.

If the talent is there, they can master the NFL game a lot quicker as they see in over-center.
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killarich

Quote from: T200 on December 15, 2024, 07:34:29 PMStudies, schmudies... we don't need no stinkin' studies!  ;)

Rodgers sat
Brady sat
Mahomes sat
Love sat
Eli sat

Then contrast that with rookies who started and struggled. There's no need to throw a rookie QB in the fire.

Brady was the last pick on the draft ... everyone else had good starters in front of them

This has nothing to do with our situation ... completely different set of circumstances

If we had a 36 year old Eli Manning on the team right now then yes sanders/ward would def be sitting this season

Our current situation has absolutely no reason to force the rookie to sit to "learn" behind a vet

If we had a vet who had a successful career then I agree .....big difference is all these rookies were behind players who were already on a contract

My point is that 5-10 mil can be spent way better elsewhere ... forcing a rookie to sit behind a mediocre signed QB doesn't do anything but cause us a decent player and games

killarich

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 15, 2024, 07:49:33 PMYeah, throw him out there no matter what.  If he isn't ready and misses an easy read on a blitzer off his blind side and gets hurt, that's just learning.

You throw a guy on the field who truly isn't ready and you run the risk of getting him and others hurt, him developing bad habits, his confidence being destroyed, and a few other things.  Then in two years the same people said throw him out there will be calling for him to be benched. 

If they get Sanders he may be ready to play week 1.  He may not be ready.

No matter who it is do the right thing and don't create a bad situation for the QB out of impatience.

There is candidates for all tastes for the "bridge" QB.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/qb



Getting hurt can happen to anyone not just rookies

All examples given were rookies who were already behind long time starters .... If we are going to get a bridge qb it makes no sense to even draft a qb

Save the money and let sanders play behind Devito for a few games then ... makes no difference .... You think I learning behind Lock is a career changing experience ?

FORCING a situation where a rookie QB plays behind a bridge qb vs a QB who's been with the team for years is two completely different situations

T200

Quote from: killarich on December 15, 2024, 09:01:26 PMBrady was the last pick on the draft ... everyone else had good starters in front of them

This has nothing to do with our situation ... completely different set of circumstances

If we had a 36 year old Eli Manning on the team right now then yes sanders/ward would def be sitting this season

Our current situation has absolutely no reason to force the rookie to sit to "learn" behind a vet

If we had a vet who had a successful career then I agree .....big difference is all these rookies were behind players who were already on a contract

My point is that 5-10 mil can be spent way better elsewhere ... forcing a rookie to sit behind a mediocre signed QB doesn't do anything but cause us a decent player and games
I get your point.

Personally, I don't see the harm in letting the rookie sit for at least half a year, if not the whole season.
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"We're going to build this thing the right way... I'm not going to do a Hail Mary for self preservation. We've got a plan in place and we're going to stick with that"

-Giants GM Joe Schoen on potential roster plans and spending for the 2025 season.

killarich

Quote from: T200 on December 15, 2024, 09:09:32 PMI get your point.

Personally, I don't see the harm in letting the rookie sit for at least half a year, if not the whole season.

I don't disagree with that .... But it would have to be behind Devito

I just think I rather spend that money on helping that rookie qb at another position .... Then just giving the guy he knows he will replace a fat paycheck to be a rental


That's just me

uconnjack8

Quote from: killarich on December 15, 2024, 09:04:55 PMGetting hurt can happen to anyone not just rookies

All examples given were rookies who were already behind long time starters .... If we are going to get a bridge qb it makes no sense to even draft a qb

Save the money and let sanders play behind Devito for a few games then ... makes no difference .... You think I learning behind Lock is a career changing experience ?

FORCING a situation where a rookie QB plays behind a bridge qb vs a QB who's been with the team for years is two completely different situations

Where did I say anything about Lock? 

I don't care who the day 1 starter is next year other than if they sign a vet, it's someone who will be a good support system for the rookie.


Getting hurt can happen to anyone, which is why a coach is completely irresponsible to put a player on the field who can't protect himself and increases chances.



coggs

Quote from: kingm56 on December 15, 2024, 04:48:40 PMOver the last 10 years, what team has drafted a QB top 5 and elected to bench them for more than half the 1st season? If the Giants draft a QB with their first pick, he will start early in the season.  That's the modern NFL...
exactly.  even if it means forfeiting next year.  Break him in for a full year as opposed the 1/2 year Eli got and go from there. 

B1GBLUE

i dont think either one will come in ready to start game 1 of their rookie year, and have any success. Our oline is still a disaster. We have question marks everywhere. minimal weapons AGAIN. Seems like a good way to "jones" them. Get a moderately priced vet qb ala flacco, and let them learn. Both of those guys would have been 2-3 round picks last year. I HATE the idea of taking one top 3. Will they be good in the nfl? maybe. but they are not gonna be rookie year CJ Stroud.

uconnjack8

Quote from: kingm56 on December 15, 2024, 04:48:40 PMOver the last 10 years, what team has drafted a QB top 5 and elected to bench them for more than half the 1st season? If the Giants draft a QB with their first pick, he will start early in the season.  That's the modern NFL...

It's a case by case basis.  Nothing anyone else has done recently should be how the team makes their decision. 

Some guys do alright starting right away, others get wrecked by it.

MrGap92

Are people really suggesting letting a QB sit for a bit is a bad idea?

We must want to not ever be a good team again.

We shouldn't be spending a fortune on someone like Darnold, but acquiring someone like a Jameis, Brissett, Fields or Dobbs makes alot of sense. Even if it is only for a third of the season. They need a more capable body in case the new QB goes down too. Tanking, and losing is no longer acceptable after this year.