Time of Possesion

[Trench]

Yet again we won time of possession....i have been noticing the Giants have been on the winning side of time of possesion (seems like it has been more frequent than years past)...yet we still lose...can anyone perhaps confirm this for me?

Has there even been a team who controlled time of possession in the NFL so frequently yet has had such a bad record?

[kartanoman]

I didn't take the time to research the answer to your question, @Trench , but a good follow-up question is, without watching the games, what would you normally conclude from that piece of information if you weren't given any other data? Most might suggest that team had control of the game and some might put their foot in the water to further suggest they likely won that game.

But when you pull the curtain, and see the final score 14-35, your jaw hits the floor. Now, throw in your questions and all we can muster is "what the heck?" But then you see the plane flying around with the message of the week to John Mara and you go, "ah, yeah, I get it now!"

The rest, well, I guess we'll find out in three more weeks after Barkley puts the final nail in the ⚰️.

Peace!

[Trench]

I didn't take the time to research the answer to your question, @Trench , but a good follow-up question is, without watching the games, what would you normally conclude from that piece of information if you weren't given any other data? Most might suggest that team had control of the game and some might put their foot in the water to further suggest they likely won that game.

But when you pull the curtain, and see the final score 14-35, your jaw hits the floor. Now, throw in your questions and all we can muster is "what the heck?" But then you see the plane flying around with the message of the week to John Mara and you go, "ah, yeah, I get it now!"

The rest, well, I guess we'll find out in three more weeks after Barkley puts the final nail in the ⚰️.

Peace!

I remember for years watching Madden and Summeral and they would say "control ti e of possession and u win" but I sincerely think it is opposite in todays NFL (at least as it relates to the Giants)

[AZGiantFan]

I remember for years watching Madden and Summeral and they would say "control ti e of possession and u win" but I sincerely think it is opposite in todays NFL (at least as it relates to the Giants)

They are 2-12 yet they are 9th in the league at TOP at 51.31%, FWIW.

[Trench]

They are 2-12 yet they are 9th in the league at TOP at 51.31%, FWIW.

Thanks AZ!!...I find it fascinating that we do well in time of possesion yet can't get TDs.

Question is, how much of this will be on the coach?...maybe we are seeing a trend where crappy teams are actually winning the time of possesion battle

[AZGiantFan]

Thanks AZ!!...I find it fascinating that we do well in time of possesion yet can't get TDs.

Question is, how much of this will be on the coach?...maybe we are seeing a trend where crappy teams are actually winning the time of possesion battle

No, the teams ahead of them are Pittsburg, Houston, Detroit, Philly, KC, Miami, SF, and TB.

[Ed Vette]

Look at yards per completion and yards per carry. The Giants had one more play but a little more than half the yards. Four 4th down completions. Lots of time driving in neutral.

[Trench]

No, the teams ahead of them are Pittsburg, Houston, Detroit, Philly, KC, Miami, SF, and TB.

This is fantastic info you found!

I sincerely believe someone like Rich or others on here with a deep understanding of statistics and history could examine WHY the fact all the teams ahead of us in time of possession are playoff teams?...and further, what does this indicate about our offense?...I find this statistic striking in so many ways.

Where are we in red zone TDs?

Are the teams ahead of us in possession also better in red zone TDs?

Traditionally speaking, does time of possesion victory translate into wins?...if so, what does that indicates for us?....

Just maybe Daboll isn't as bad as I think?...or is simply bad at red zone play calling?

Thanks for looking that up AZ

[PSUBeirut]

Also fascinating to research would be- how much time in every game are the Giants behind?  ie, it would make logical sense that the other team would be the ones running the ball and grinding the clock down because they have leads....where the Giants should theoretically be the opposite, playing from behind and having to throw the ball more.

Very interesting thread!  Thanks for starting it.

[Giant Jim]

Maybe most of Baltimore's receivers were pushed out of bounds? Big pass plays, how many offensive snaps did each team have? It's just another useless stat that doesn't indicate anything in particular without knowing what went down during the entire game, not just the score. Time of possession could indicate a defense was on the field too long and tired out. That certainly wasn't the problem yesterday.

I'll admit it's a little weird since normally teams that far ahead usually play to run down the clock. I would think Time of Possession is the least of the Giants problems.

[Trench]

Maybe most of Baltimore's receivers were pushed out of bounds? Big pass plays, how many offensive snaps did each team have? It's just another useless stat that doesn't indicate anything in particular without knowing what went down during the entire game, not just the score. Time of possession could indicate a defense was on the field too long and tired out. That certainly wasn't the problem yesterday.

I'll admit it's a little weird since normally teams that far ahead usually play to run down the clock. I would think Time of Possession is the least of the Giants problems.

Good point GiantsJim - but the fact we are near the top in possesion over a full season, wouldn't that show it as not being a useless stat since all the others are playoffs caliber?

What if Daboll was near too in time of possesion in his previous seasons also?...what would that indicate?

I'm asking (Not saying I have an answer).

[coggs]

This is fantastic info you found!

I sincerely believe someone like Rich or others on here with a deep understanding of statistics and history could examine WHY the fact all the teams ahead of us in time of possession are playoff teams?...and further, what does this indicate about our offense?...I find this statistic striking in so many ways.

Where are we in red zone TDs?

Are the teams ahead of us in possession also better in red zone TDs?

Traditionally speaking, does time of possesion victory translate into wins?...if so, what does that indicates for us?....

Just maybe Daboll isn't as bad as I think?...or is simply bad at red zone play calling?

Thanks for looking that up AZ

Miami and San Francisco are not play-off teams this year.

[Trench]

Miami and San Francisco are not play-off teams this year.

I would push back because of injuries. Everyone had/has them as top tier NFL offenses.

[uconnjack8]

I think Ed's comment is where to start for why.

Seems like the Giants give up chunk plays a lot and since they do not get chunk plays, when they move the ball its dink and dunks and running for 4 or 5 yards.  Then not scoring TD's

They rank last in the league this season for TD% once in the redzone.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

[coggs]

In blowout games, have to look at it only up to when the game was out of hand.  At 28-7, ravens are now just looking to get the game finished.  So, on defense they are going to play softer and sacrifice yardage for time and to avoid the big play.  They do not care if the Giants ultimately score on a possession if it takes them 7 minutes to do so.  On offense, they are just looking to keep the clock moving and going more conservative.  Wind up cutting a few drives short by not being more aggressive.