2025 NFL GM and Head Coach Candidates

[DaveBrown74]

He seems different to me Jeff.  I understand your position.  Day has more of an NFL temperment.  Not a dictator like many college coaches.  Seems pretty professional.  College and pro are as similar as ever.  Maybe now the transition is different.

I hear you Joe, and I'm not saying it never, ever works. You could well be right here and may have a great read on Day. I do like that he at least has been involved with two NFL teams. That's better than nothing.

I guess my one response to you though would be the following: are WE the franchise right now that is going to buck this trend and strike gold with a college hire? The odds just don't seem on our side. In fact, they seem pretty poor to me. I feel like our next head coach needs to be a guy with NFL head coaching experience and preferable someone who had at least some sort of success as a head coach, unlike Pat Shurmur.

In any case, this all seems moot. Daboll seems like a done deal to be staying.

[coggs]

Here's a name to throw out there.  What about Ryan Day of OSU?  Been a head coach long enough to know org construction. Great offensive mind.  Highly successful.  Probably would leave Ohio State. 

Not a fan of bringing in the college coaches from these big programs.  In the NFL, can't just recruit guys to come your team.  I would have to see what he has done when he coached in a league with a little more even playing field.    In the NFL, he won't get Akron or W. Michigan on their schedule.  Then again, the way college football is evolving, the coaches no longer have the power over the players like guys like Saban, Spurrier, and Bowden had.

[Philosophers]

I hear you Joe, and I'm not saying it never, ever works. You could well be right here and may have a great read on Day. I do like that he at least has been involved with two NFL teams. That's better than nothing.

I guess my one response to you though would be the following: are WE the franchise right now that is going to buck this trend and strike gold with a college hire? The odds just don't seem on our side. In fact, they seem pretty poor to me. I feel like our next head coach needs to be a guy with NFL head coaching experience and preferable someone who had at least some sort of success as a head coach, unlike Pat Shurmur.

In any case, this all seems moot. Daboll seems like a done deal to be staying.

I want an ex-NFL head coach who has been successful as well but who is that?

BB - too old then went to UNC
Pete Carroll - too old
John Gruden - racist email, lawsuit against NFL.

Hot coordinators who fail seem to do so because they cant manage and oversea a larger organization than just their offensive or defensive unit.  I think the hot coordinators failure list is much larger than failed college coaches.  If we go this route my feeling is it has to be for someone with extensive experience coaching under one or both of the Harbaughs.

Ryan Day has run now an entire team for like 5 years.  Ohio St is as close to an NFL team as you can get.  College with NIL, transfer portal, etc. is almost identical to NFL unlike few years ago.  Day will turnover coaching staff there are sub-performers.  I think he is at least worth a consideration.

[katkavage]

I want an ex-NFL head coach who has been successful as well but who is that?

BB - too old then went to UNC
Pete Carroll - too old
John Gruden - racist email, lawsuit against NFL.

Hot coordinators who fail seem to do so because they cant manage and oversea a larger organization than just their offensive or defensive unit.  I think the hot coordinators failure list is much larger than failed college coaches.  If we go this route my feeling is it has to be for someone with extensive experience coaching under one or both of the Harbaughs.

Ryan Day has run now an entire team for like 5 years.  Ohio St is as close to an NFL team as you can get.  College with NIL, transfer portal, etc. is almost identical to NFL unlike few years ago.  Day will turnover coaching staff there are sub-performers.  I think he is at least worth a consideration.

The best coach with HC experience out there is Brian Flores. But the Giants screwed the pooch on that one. No matter, they are letting the other Brian have one more year before he is shown the door.

[Philosophers]

The best coach with HC experience out there is Brian Flores. But the Giants screwed the pooch on that one. No matter, they are letting the other Brian have one more year before he is shown the door.

I dont understand all the Brian Flores love.  In 3 years as HC, he was 5-11, 10-6 and 9-8.  His former starting QB did not have good things to say about him, right?  Worst of all, he sued the league that employs him and now wants to be elevated up to HC again.  In business the rule is if you sue a former employer in an industry, your payday better be very high because you will never get a job in the industry again.

[BlueMoshik]

Is John Gruden a hard no?

Guy is 61.  Good with QBs. 

He's flamed out for many reasons, was overrated in the first place, and hasn't seen any success in many years. Also, he destroyed QBs.

[katkavage]

I dont understand all the Brian Flores love.  In 3 years as HC, he was 5-11, 10-6 and 9-8.  His former starting QB did not have good things to say about him, right?  Worst of all, he sued the league that employs him and now wants to be elevated up to HC again.  In business the rule is if you sue a former employer in an industry, your payday better be very high because you will never get a job in the industry again.

That's a winning record with very little to work with. Because he stood up to the BS, you are right, it probably will be difficult for a team to take him. The Giants, reactionary as they are as an organization, never would.

[DaveBrown74]

I want an ex-NFL head coach who has been successful as well but who is that?

BB - too old then went to UNC
Pete Carroll - too old
John Gruden - racist email, lawsuit against NFL.

Hot coordinators who fail seem to do so because they cant manage and oversea a larger organization than just their offensive or defensive unit.  I think the hot coordinators failure list is much larger than failed college coaches.  If we go this route my feeling is it has to be for someone with extensive experience coaching under one or both of the Harbaughs.

Ryan Day has run now an entire team for like 5 years.  Ohio St is as close to an NFL team as you can get.  College with NIL, transfer portal, etc. is almost identical to NFL unlike few years ago.  Day will turnover coaching staff there are sub-performers.  I think he is at least worth a consideration.

OSU has been an elite program forever. How has Day elevated it since he took over? Meyer, his predecessor, won a national championship there. Meyer had a better win-loss record than Day has to this point.

Meyer was a catastrophic train wreck as an NFL head coach. Same goes for practically every other big name college coach with no material NFL coaching experience who tried out the NFL. Including much bigger names than Ryan Day (see Saban, Spurier, Holtz, Petrino, etc etc).

I think these college coaches are tempting but many of them, while perfectly competent, walked into great situations and sometimes that gets confused with true greatness itself on their part. Many of them are the coaching equivalent of "just a guy" who happened to get a great coaching job.

If I'm going to gamble on a college coach with no NFL head coaching or coordinating experience, I at least want someone who has significantly elevated a program. Ryan Day has not done that at OSU. He's done a perfectly respectable job overall, but the program has not had more success under his watch than it did under his predecessor. it has in fact had less. Why would I want to invest in someone who has had less success where he is than his predecessor did?

OSU is a perennial powerhouse program where anything less than a national championship is always disappointing there. There is a pretty decent chance he gets one this year, but that is not certain, and I just don't see how he has distinguished himself there relative to what they are used to in Columbus. I am not saying he has done a bad job, but I fail to see how he has stood out, either. How has he raised the bar there versus the Meyer era? Or the Tressel era?

Day would not be on my list for an NFL head coaching job, especially a team that is a total dumpster fire like ours that needs help in every corner of the organization and needs someone with hands-on NFL experience with NFL contacts who knows what he is doing and has learned the ropes of the NFL over the years? That is not Ryan Day.

[Jclayton92]

OSU has been an elite program forever. How has Day elevated it he took over? Meyer, his predecessor, won a national championship there. Meyer had a better win-loss record than Day has to this point.

Meyer was a catastrophic train wreck as an NFL head coach. Same goes for practically every other big name college coach with no material NFL coaching experience who tried out the NFL. Including much bigger names than Ryan Day (see Saban, Spurier, Holtz, Petrino, etc etc).

I think these college coaches are tempting but many of them, while perfectly competent, walked into great situations and sometimes that gets confused with true greatness itself on their part. Many of them are the coaching equivalent of "just a guy" who happened to get a great coaching job.

If I'm going to gamble on a college coach with no NFL head coaching or coordinating experience, I at least want someone who has significantly elevated a program. Ryan Day has not done that at OSU. He's done a nice job overall, but the program has not had more success under his watch than it did under his predecessor. it has in fact had less. Why would we want to buy into that?

OSU is a perennial powerhouse program where anything less than a national championship is always disappointing there. I don't see how Day has distinguished himself there relative to what they are used to in Columbus. I am not saying he has done a bad job, but I fail to see how he has stood out, either. How has he raised the bar there versus the Meyer era?

Day would not be on my list for an NFL head coaching job, especially a team that is a total dumpster fire like ours that needs help in every corner of the organization.

OSU fans wanted him fired only 2 weeks ago.

[Philosophers]

OSU has been an elite program forever. How has Day elevated it since he took over? Meyer, his predecessor, won a national championship there. Meyer had a better win-loss record than Day has to this point.

Meyer was a catastrophic train wreck as an NFL head coach. Same goes for practically every other big name college coach with no material NFL coaching experience who tried out the NFL. Including much bigger names than Ryan Day (see Saban, Spurier, Holtz, Petrino, etc etc).

I think these college coaches are tempting but many of them, while perfectly competent, walked into great situations and sometimes that gets confused with true greatness itself on their part. Many of them are the coaching equivalent of "just a guy" who happened to get a great coaching job.

If I'm going to gamble on a college coach with no NFL head coaching or coordinating experience, I at least want someone who has significantly elevated a program. Ryan Day has not done that at OSU. He's done a perfectly respectable job overall, but the program has not had more success under his watch than it did under his predecessor. it has in fact had less. Why would I want to invest in someone who has had less success where he is than his predecessor did?

OSU is a perennial powerhouse program where anything less than a national championship is always disappointing there. There is a pretty decent chance he gets one this year, but that is not certain, and I just don't see how he has distinguished himself there relative to what they are used to in Columbus. I am not saying he has done a bad job, but I fail to see how he has stood out, either. How has he raised the bar there versus the Meyer era? Or the Tressel era?

Day would not be on my list for an NFL head coaching job, especially a team that is a total dumpster fire like ours that needs help in every corner of the organization and needs someone with hands-on NFL experience with NFL contacts who knows what he is doing and has learned the ropes of the NFL over the years? That is not Ryan Day.

You are 100% right that he has not built up a program but only continued its excellence.  Good point.

[Woody]

Looks and feels like the Giants will stay status quo with Daboll and Shoen.......ugh , but I don't think Mara will shake things up this year if only for not starting completely over again and hoping the two have a plan that will improve the team.. ??
however, if a Daboll led team comes out of the gate next year and completely flops like they have for the past two years....then what ??? and if the downward trend of poor offensive play and low scoring continues..then what ? what if next year quickly becomes another lost year for season ticket holders , paying premium dollars ,by the way...and Giant fans everywhere looking at the following years draft by Thanksgiving or sooner again....Then what ?
If they do stay there needs to be changes in staff and coaching ranks of the team. and a new culture developed soon. ...not sure how this will happen ...but as a longtime ....over 50 plus year fan .... something needs to change soon because if they don't ... the ole Forest Gump saying " stupid is as Stupid does " will haunt this team for another four to five years. and the Giants will continue to be the laughing stock of the league.

[kartanoman]

Looks and feels like the Giants will stay status quo with Daboll and Shoen.......ugh , but I don't think Mara will shake things up this year if only for not starting completely over again and hoping the two have a plan that will improve the team.. ??
however, if a Daboll led team comes out of the gate next year and completely flops like they have for the past two years....then what ??? and if the downward trend of poor offensive play and low scoring continues..then what ? what if next year quickly becomes another lost year for season ticket holders , paying premium dollars ,by the way...and Giant fans everywhere looking at the following years draft by Thanksgiving or sooner again....Then what ?
If they do stay there needs to be changes in staff and coaching ranks of the team. and a new culture developed soon. ...not sure how this will happen ...but as a longtime ....over 50 plus year fan .... something needs to change soon because if they don't ... the ole Forest Gump saying "Stupid is as Stupid does " will haunt this team for another four to five years. and the Giants will continue to be the laughing stock of the league.

I think everyone, including John Mara, realizes this. But there is no silver bullet "quick fix" for this team. The talent has fallen below NFL average and is at the bottom of the NFC East. The team has a perpetual injury issue which significantly impacts their ability to compete. The team has neither a sufficient quarterback nor offensive line to score points consistently. The defense plays heroicly but inevitably succumbs in the final quarter. For two years in succession, they have played "musical kickers" and, this year, "musical punters," as well. So, as you can see, there is no quick fix to be had here.

In the end, we all know that "competition" in the pre-season is the only way to get these players out there fighting for their jobs and being their very best. Why that has become taboo is beyond me.

This organization would do its fanbase a world of good by acknowledging the above and setting expectations that are reasonable with where they are now and where they want to be in one year, two years, etc., and what that "plan" looks like. I think the fans would be frustrated with another struggling campaign in 2025; however, if the "plan" is actually being executed and goals are being achieved, even partially, that is something I think would be better than this "hope springs eternal" in the summer, only to have the team get its a$$ kicked on opening day.

If they're going to draft a QB, then they damned well had better do everything in their power to make that O-Line their next immediate priority.

If they wait until 2026 to get their franchise QB, then fix the critical holes in the O-Line in this draft, and put the finishing touches on it in '26 when they get their guy.

Same goes with the defense. CB, DT, Edge.

Maybe it is time to give McAtamney a real chance to dethrone Gano in next year's training camp. Maybe sign McAtamney's buddy who now punts in the CFL, the Aussie Rules guy also from Rutgers, Adam Korsak, to give the Scottish Hammer a go.

Until the holes are filled, and incumbent are challenged by young, hungry kids with higher upsides, very little is going to change.

Medical must continue to get smarter at what they do to mitigate instances of injury on the field.

So many different aspects of the players, coaches, departments, management and the front office where all of them can improve individually and collectively.

I guess we'll see what happens. But there's no one silver bullet that's going to fix this entire organization. Communicate the plan, shop owner, John! Communicate!

Peace!

[todge]

I will always be of the belief that it isn't just "all about the QB" as several here still believe. The other 21 players, coaches and a variety of other factors all contribute to Ws and Ls.

I find Daboll's comments deflecting this disastrous season onto the players, specifically the QB troubling. He's essentially saying "I'm not the problem, the players are (specifically the QB). I want a coach to stand up and say "wins and losses are on me". To the best of my knowledge, we've never heard that.

I think any Head Coach would be an improvement over this guy


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[Woody]

The Iundisciplined Daboll team strikes again


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[Woody]

Did I say undisciplined? Team


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