The Giants drop to 3rd pick facing the Pilly backups next week

[andrew_nyGiants]

Cleveland just lost.


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[kingm56]

Doc,

I feel the exact same way as you do, I'm beyond upset. A total lack of people with low I.Q. running the organization.

The claim that Joe Schoen has a low IQ based on something you think he'll do is not only speculative but also unfair given his tenure as the Giants' general manager. Schoen has consistently demonstrated a disciplined, future-focused approach since taking the helm. He inherited a challenging cap situation and a roster with significant holes, yet he resisted the temptation to make splashy, short-sighted moves that could jeopardize the team's long-term goals.

Schoen's management style thus far emphasizes building through the draft, strategic free agency signings, and maintaining financial flexibility. His unwillingness to mortgage the Giants' future for immediate but fleeting success has already earned him a reputation as a calculated and patient decision-maker.  To assume that he'll suddenly abandon this philosophy and act recklessly is baseless. There's no evidence in his track record to suggest he's inclined to trade away valuable future assets for short-term gain.

It's hard to argue that the Giants are on a good trajectory with a 3-13 record this season, but it's important to consider the bigger picture. If anything, Schoen has shown a commitment to sustainable growth, even if the results haven't materialized on the field yet. His methodical restructuring of the Giants' roster and salary cap has laid the groundwork for future stability, though it's clear there's still a long way to go.  Yet, his 2024 draft is objectively the best in the NFL. The foundation is FINALLY there for future success.

Criticizing him based on a hypothetical move that runs counter to his demonstrated philosophy doesn't account for the challenges he inherited or the deliberate process he's undertaken. While the record is undoubtedly disappointing, Schoen's approach shows prudence and an understanding that building a consistently competitive team often requires time, patience, and a willingness to endure short-term struggles for long-term gain.  Hell, he may have severe reservations concerning Ward and Sanders. We simply don't know. To date, his biggest blunder has been resigning DJ, which is a move YOU FULLY SUPPORTED. Yet, he was smart enough to give himself a 2-year out.   In short, I don't believe Schoen will act irrationally this draft.

[Stringer Bell]

Stringer has an unusual hate for Sanders.... His opinion is not based off of football its based off of a childish mindset

So yea .... umm no

It's cute that given your tirades in this thread that you would accuse someone else of being childish.

I've made my feelings on Sanders known and have backed them up with references and facts.

It's a fact that Sanders holds the ball too long and tries to play hero ball, taking far too many sacks and evidenced by his terrible play last night.

It's a fact that Sanders has thrown his teammates under the bus in the media on multiple occasions, showing a lack of accountability and leadership.

It's a fact that Sanders has walked off the field before a game ended, showing terrible sportsmanship and immaturity.

What is unusual about not being a fan of someone who exhibits these traits. And why is it "hate" and not a fan's analysis of a player's makeup and performance.

You are the one who is getting personal, telling people they are not real fans, calling them childish, etc. Like Dave says, all because they have a different opinion than you. Not a great look.

[spiderblue43]

Monkey Wrench Bowl.. brought to you by Indy Tank.. and by Draft Day Doom...when you think you're in the driver's seat..then comes rinse, repeat..and by..Big Blue Snafu..when looking at Draft Glory..you get the same old story.

[sxdxca38]

The claim that Joe Schoen has a low IQ based on something you think he'll do is not only speculative but also unfair given his tenure as the Giants' general manager. Schoen has consistently demonstrated a disciplined, future-focused approach since taking the helm. He inherited a challenging cap situation and a roster with significant holes, yet he resisted the temptation to make splashy, short-sighted moves that could jeopardize the team's long-term goals.

Schoen's management style thus far emphasizes building through the draft, strategic free agency signings, and maintaining financial flexibility. His unwillingness to mortgage the Giants' future for immediate but fleeting success has already earned him a reputation as a calculated and patient decision-maker.  To assume that he'll suddenly abandon this philosophy and act recklessly is baseless. There's no evidence in his track record to suggest he's inclined to trade away valuable future assets for short-term gain.

It's hard to argue that the Giants are on a good trajectory with a 3-13 record this season, but it's important to consider the bigger picture. If anything, Schoen has shown a commitment to sustainable growth, even if the results haven't materialized on the field yet. His methodical restructuring of the Giants' roster and salary cap has laid the groundwork for future stability, though it's clear there's still a long way to go.  Yet, his 2024 draft is objectively the best in the NFL. The foundation is FINALLY there for future success.

Criticizing him based on a hypothetical move that runs counter to his demonstrated philosophy doesn't account for the challenges he inherited or the deliberate process he's undertaken. While the record is undoubtedly disappointing, Schoen's approach shows prudence and an understanding that building a consistently competitive team often requires time, patience, and a willingness to endure short-term struggles for long-term gain.  Hell, he may have severe reservations concerning Ward and Sanders. We simply don't know. To date, his biggest blunder has been resigning DJ, which is a move YOU FULLY SUPPORTED. Yet, he was smart enough to give himself a 2-year out.   In short, I don't believe Schoen will act irrationally this draft.

The Giants coming into today had the #1 overall pick.

Now as it stands, they have the 4th overall pick, with a 3-13 record.

Simple question:

Is the #1 overall pick more valuable and better to have than the 4th overall pick?

[kingm56]

The Giants coming into today had the #1 overall pick.

Now as it stands, they have the 4th overall pick, with a 3-13 record.

Simple question:

Is the #1 overall pick more valuable and better to have than the 4th overall pick?

What's the point of your pedantic question?  Are you accusing the Giants of having a low IQ for 'failing' to lose todays game?  You've had some hot takes over the years, but this may be your best.

[Gmo11]

The claim that Joe Schoen has a low IQ based on something you think he'll do is not only speculative but also unfair given his tenure as the Giants' general manager. Schoen has consistently demonstrated a disciplined, future-focused approach since taking the helm. He inherited a challenging cap situation and a roster with significant holes, yet he resisted the temptation to make splashy, short-sighted moves that could jeopardize the team's long-term goals.

Schoen's management style thus far emphasizes building through the draft, strategic free agency signings, and maintaining financial flexibility. His unwillingness to mortgage the Giants' future for immediate but fleeting success has already earned him a reputation as a calculated and patient decision-maker.  To assume that he'll suddenly abandon this philosophy and act recklessly is baseless. There's no evidence in his track record to suggest he's inclined to trade away valuable future assets for short-term gain.

It's hard to argue that the Giants are on a good trajectory with a 3-13 record this season, but it's important to consider the bigger picture. If anything, Schoen has shown a commitment to sustainable growth, even if the results haven't materialized on the field yet. His methodical restructuring of the Giants' roster and salary cap has laid the groundwork for future stability, though it's clear there's still a long way to go.  Yet, his 2024 draft is objectively the best in the NFL. The foundation is FINALLY there for future success.

Criticizing him based on a hypothetical move that runs counter to his demonstrated philosophy doesn't account for the challenges he inherited or the deliberate process he's undertaken. While the record is undoubtedly disappointing, Schoen's approach shows prudence and an understanding that building a consistently competitive team often requires time, patience, and a willingness to endure short-term struggles for long-term gain.  Hell, he may have severe reservations concerning Ward and Sanders. We simply don't know. To date, his biggest blunder has been resigning DJ, which is a move YOU FULLY SUPPORTED. Yet, he was smart enough to give himself a 2-year out.  In short, I don't believe Schoen will act irrationally this draft.

I agree with pretty much all of this. He tore down pile of crap Gettleman left built up a brand new foundation and all that was needed was a young talented QB to take the reigns and lead them. Problem is that QB needed to come this year. Now the whole plan goes to hell because they will again suck next year as Drew Locks miracle game makes Mara fall full bloom in love or they sign some other useless bum to play QB but win juuuust enough games to keep wasting the prime years of Dex and Thomas and the rookie contract of Nabers and Tracy. This was all set up for them. Get the QB and take off. Nope. Instead lock plays the greatest game he will ever play and even this pathetic defense manages to get enough stops to win the damn game.

I was on board with keeping schoen and daboll both thinking this was right on the cusp of turning around all they needed was a real QB. Now I think they should fire them both because after what's about to happen next season regardless of coach or GM they're gonna get canned at that point. So just get it over with.

[Dumpster Dan]

The title of this is  facing the Philly backups next week.


Do we really think that Philly is going to play backups with Barkley going for the record??

Dumpster Dan

[kingm56]

I agree with pretty much all of this. He tore down pile of crap Gettleman left built up a brand new foundation and all that was needed was a young talented QB to take the reigns and lead them. Problem is that QB needed to come this year. Now the whole plan goes to hell because they will again suck next year as Drew Locks miracle game makes Mara fall full bloom in love or they sign some other useless bum to play QB but win juuuust enough games to keep wasting the prime years of Dex and Thomas and the rookie contract of Nabers and Tracy. This was all set up for them. Get the QB and take off. Nope. Instead lock plays the greatest game he will ever play and even this pathetic defense manages to get enough stops to win the damn game.

I was on board with keeping schoen and daboll both thinking this was right on the cusp of turning around all they needed was a real QB. Now I think they should fire them both because after what's about to happen next season regardless of coach or GM they're gonna get canned at that point. So just get it over with.

Fair enough, GMO.  Fundamentally, I agree with a lot of your well articulated views.  I will advocate for 1 more year; his 2024 draft class earned him that right. 

[kingm56]

The title of this is  facing the Philly backups next week.


Do we really think that Philly is going to play backups with Barkley going for the record??

Dumpster Dan

They will on Def, Dan.  Barkley needs 101 yards to secure the record; with the Giants run defense, he could have that by half time.

[sxdxca38]

What's the point of your pedantic question?  Are you accusing the Giants of having a low IQ for 'failing' to lose todays game?  You've had some hot takes over the years, but this may be your best.

I haven't put you down in any of this, however not once but twice you took the liberty to put me down.

First with your calling my question "pedantic" and not answering it.

Second, then putting me down a second time using the expression "your hot takes" and "this may be your best."

Once again, I haven't done that to you, but you did it to me.

So instead of answering my original question, which was, "Is having the overall #1 pick more valuable than the 4th overall pick?

You decided to put me down and personally attack me.

And I know why you did it, because if you honestly had answered the question, it would have refuted you, and you cannot have that.

I won't be responding to you anymore.

[kingm56]

I haven't put you down in any of this, however not once but twice you took the liberty to put me down.

First with your calling my question "pedantic" and not answering it.

Second, then putting me down a second time using the expression "your hot takes" and "this may be your best."

Once again, I haven't done that to you, but you did it to me.

So instead of answering my original question, which was, "Is having the overall #1 pick more valuable than the 4th overall pick?

You decided to put me down and personally attack me.

And I know why you did it, because if you honestly had answered the question, it would have refuted you, and you cannot have that.

I won't be responding to you anymore.

Your question was insulting, juvenile, and entirely pointless (i.e. pedantic) — its akin to asking whether $1 or $1,000 is more valuable. Worse, the premise is DEEPLY flawed; it's not the "trap" you envisioned.  Fundamentally, you're holding the Giants accountable for winning today while absurdly claiming that those involved have "a low IQ." Yet, here you are, attempting to occupy moral high ground.  The irony is amusing...

[Philosophers]

I started out unhappy with this win but on reflection I am happy with it.  I dont want either Sanders or Ward.  I prefer BPS for 1st round and QB hunting after.  This plays to that.

[kingm56]

I started out unhappy with this win but on reflection I am happy with it.  I dont want either Sanders or Ward.  I prefer BPS for 1st round and QB hunting after.  This plays to that.

Same with me, Joe.

[MagicRat]

Simple, and honest (as I don't watch college football) question, are either Ward or Sanders "the guy"?

From reading some media I baulk at the thought of being part of the Sanders circus, he also comes across as a me-first character.

Ward, no clue.
Some insights from those with such insight please?
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