NGT - 12/31 College Games

[uconnjack8]

Is our need greater at Edge than DT?

If it's about pass rush then yes and maybe Carter should be the pick by the Giants.  If it's about run and holing up the middle then Mason Graham should be the pick.

I don't know much about this draft class in general.  I do think given the Giants offensive woes the last couple of years the draft will have to lean offense. 

That being said if they took Abdul Carter early in the 1st I would be pretty excited.  He is a true EDGE that can play against the run as well as rush the passer.  Having Burns, Thibs and Carter all locked in for 2 years would be formidable. 

As for run stuffing on the interior, those guys can usually be had later in the draft.  I don't know much about Graham so if he is a special interior player I am not against it

[Philosophers]

I don't know much about this draft class in general.  I do think given the Giants offensive woes the last couple of years the draft will have to lean offense. 

That being said if they took Abdul Carter early in the 1st I would be pretty excited.  He is a true EDGE that can play against the run as well as rush the passer.  Having Burns, Thibs and Carter all locked in for 2 years would be formidable. 

As for run stuffing on the interior, those guys can usually be had later in the draft.  I don't know much about Graham so if he is a special interior player I am not against it

Graham is explosive and relentless.  I think either would be a great fit.  I am with you that we should lean offense this Draft however at the top of the 1st round, I dont see anyone I really want.  I'd love a ROT but none worthy of say a pick 5.  There are some WRs that would be like Hunter and maybe McMillan, the huge WR from Arizona.  Do we need another WR to draft one this high?  Maybe if he can become a Pro Bowl player.

[Philosophers]

Back to college.  Games today will be interesting to watch.  Think Texas should handle ASU.  I have Ohio St as a slight favorite to win.  UGA will get tested hard by Notre Dame.  Can go either way.

[DaveBrown74]

Back to college.  Games today will be interesting to watch.  Think Texas should handle ASU.  I have Ohio St as a slight favorite to win.  UGA will get tested hard by Notre Dame.  Can go either way.

The UGA/ND line has gone from UGA -2.5 to UGA -0.5 in the last few days. A lot of action coming in on the Irish.

I will say this UGA D isn't your classic, dominant UGA D. ND should be able to run on them a bit. I do think much is being made about the UGA QB situation though. UGA runs a game manager offense so I tend to think this story is being overhyped and they'll put this kid in high percentage situations and put the onus of winning the game on other positions and units.

ND has some pop though. It's hard to know exactly how good they are because they lack a signature win, but they generally wrecked teams they played and they played some ok teams like at A+M at night for their home opener and against Indiana (who blew teams out all year). We'll see.

[Philosophers]

The UGA/ND line has gone from UGA -2.5 to UGA -0.5 in the last few days. A lot of action coming in on the Irish.

I will say this UGA D isn't your classic, dominant UGA D. ND should be able to run on them a bit. I do think much is being made about the UGA QB situation though. UGA runs a game manager offense so I tend to think this story is being overhyped and they'll put this kid in high percentage situations and put the onus of winning the game on other positions and units.

ND has some pop though. It's hard to know exactly how good they are because they lack a signature win, but they generally wrecked teams they played and they played some ok teams like at A+M at night for their home opener and against Indiana (who blew teams out all year). We'll see.

Yes but they usually have game manager QBs who hit on passes.  Not sure this 2nd stringer will.

[DaveBrown74]

Yes but they usually have game manager QBs who hit on passes.  Not sure this 2nd stringer will.

Stockton was a four star recruit who had offers from Penn State and Alabama. People are making it out like he's going to be some train wreck. I don't see it myself.

[Philosophers]

Stockton was a four star recruit who had offers from Penn State and Alabama. People are making it out like he's going to be some train wreck. I don't see it myself.

4 stars in high school get eaten up in college all the time by the jump in competition.  The UGA D is not what it has been.  ND can beat them for sure especially of they come out early with high energy.

[DaveBrown74]

4 stars in high school get eaten up in college all the time by the jump in competition.  The UGA D is not what it has been.  ND can beat them for sure especially of they come out early with high energy.

That's morphing into a separate discussion. I agree about the Georgia D. This is not your classic dominant Georgia D. ND can run on them. My point was simply that if ND wins, which I think they well might, it's not going to be because Stockton is some 4 INT train wreck.

[Ed Vette]

Is Skattebo a second round projection?

[Philosophers]

That's morphing into a separate discussion. I agree about the Georgia D. This is not your classic dominant Georgia D. ND can run on them. My point was simply that if ND wins, which I think they well might, it's not going to be because Stockton is some 4 INT train wreck.

Agree.  He likely wont throw 4 INTs.  Just may not hit key passes.

What did you think of what Johntay Cooks said about Quinn Ewers rumored $6 million NIL deal to return to college but enter transfer portal to go to another team?  He is the Texas WR who transferred to Washington.  He said it's a waste of money.  Wow.  Possible smoke there with Ewers?

[DaveBrown74]

Agree.  He likely wont throw 4 INTs.  Just may not hit key passes.

How good is Beck though? What round would you pick him in if you were Giants' GM?

[Jclayton92]

How good is Beck though? What round would you pick him in if you were Giants' GM?

6th to Undrafted Free Agent, you'll see a difference tomorrow with the Stockton kid. Beck doesn't have the good period. I've got all the qbs broken down by draft stock and right now no one is taking him before the 6th.

[Philosophers]

How good is Beck though? What round would you pick him in if you were Giants' GM?

At 6'4" 215 pounds, Beck got a lot of attention for his size.  Perfect physicals for a QB.  Then, you look at his yearly numbers for 2023 and 2024 and they look good.  The problem I see in Beck is that I think he does not do a good job of reading the field and he has no mobility.  Additionally, in 2024, he went through a six game stretch in which he threw 10 TDs along with 12 INTs.  It may have been the worst stretch of games from a supposed top QB I've seen in more than a decade.  That is what derailed him in spite of four final games in which he threw 11 TDs to 0 INTs.

I think he'll get drafted in something like the 4th round.  I just don't want him as I want a QB with some mobility.

[DaveBrown74]

At 6'4" 215 pounds, Beck got a lot of attention for his size.  Perfect physicals for a QB.  Then, you look at his yearly numbers for 2023 and 2024 and they look good.  The problem I see in Beck is that I think he does not do a good job of reading the field and he has no mobility.  Additionally, in 2024, he went through a six game stretch in which he threw 10 TDs along with 12 INTs.  It may have been the worst stretch of games from a supposed top QB I've seen in more than a decade.  That is what derailed him in spite of four final games in which he threw 11 TDs to 0 INTs.

I think he'll get drafted in something like the 4th round.  I just don't want him as I want a QB with some mobility.

Ok, so you wouldn't take him in the 4th round.

In other words, the difference between him and Stockton is probably not that big of a deal...

[Philosophers]

Ok, so you wouldn't take him in the 4th round.

In other words, the difference between him and Stockton is probably not that big of a deal...

No especially if I can a quality player at another position.