Giants mouthpiece indicates Daboll (and presumably Schoen) are staying

[MightyGiants]

Apparently, under Mara, there is no accountability for one of the worst Giants seasons over the past 50 years.  Imagine a season so bad that news agencies weren't sending beat reporters to the Atlanta Falcons away game because it was so meaningless, but no one in charge lost their job.   

https://x.com/NYPost_Schwartz/status/1874810385225957404

[T200]

I'll wait to hear the official word.

I'd like to see both of them back.

[MrGap92]

Great News

[Jclayton92]

I think both of them back is better than a lame duck coach or even worse a lame duck GM with a new head coach thirsty for a qb.

[MightyGiants]

I am not going to follow the definition of insanity.  Since Mara is not changing the management, there is no reason not to expect more horrible to mediocre seasons moving forward. 


We have a terrible management team that has led to a poor roster that is terrible in terms of the details, like penalties and mental errors, and we have no QB.  We are likely drafting 8 or 9 with no significant extra draft capital to change the bad roster.  The team has some cap space, but the lion's share of that will be needed to sign a mediocre bridge quarterback.

So next year, the odds favor being out of the playoff hunt by Halloween and then winning some meaningless games in the end.  Outside of baseless optimism, there is no reason to believe things will change if things are not changed.

[MightyGiants]

I think both of them back is better than a lame duck coach or even worse a lame duck GM with a new head coach thirsty for a qb.

The team will have a lame duck GM in Schoen who will be desperate to find any quarterback to try to save his and Daboll's jobs.

[uconnjack8]

If they don't make significant progress they will just be fired after the 2025 season.  Sure hope they don't make too many long term commitments to mediocre players

[T200]

I am not going to follow the definition of insanity.  Since Mara is not changing the management, there is no reason not to expect more horrible to mediocre seasons moving forward.


We have a terrible management team that has led to a poor roster that is terrible in terms of the details, like penalties and mental errors, and we have no QB. We are likely drafting 8 or 9 with no significant extra draft capital to change the bad roster.  The team has some cap space, but the lion's share of that will be needed to sign a mediocre bridge quarterback.

So next year, the odds favor being out of the playoff hunt by Halloween and then winning some meaningless games in the end.  Outside of baseless optimism, there is no reason to believe things will change if things are not changed.

I agree that management has been terrible for over a decade now.

I know you want Schoen and Daboll gone. To me, THAT would be insanity. Mara would just be repeating the cycle that keeps the madness and futility going.

The change that needs to happen is not with the GM and HC being fired, rather, Mara needs to step back and all family members that have a role in the organization needs to be removed, thus removing their influence. That's the insanity.

[MrGap92]

I agree that management has been terrible for over a decade now.

I know you want Schoen and Daboll gone. To me, THAT would be insanity. Mara would just be repeating the cycle that keeps the madness and futility going.

The change that needs to happen is not with the GM and HC being fired, rather, Mara needs to step back and all family members that have a role in the organization needs to be removed, thus removing their influence. That's the insanity.

In general, one thing I see constantly neglected, is that if Mara goes against his own word this quickly, that is likely to have a negative impact in luring in new quality candidates anyway. No one will feel good about coming in lacking the job security.

[MightyGiants]

I agree that management has been terrible for over a decade now.

I know you want Schoen and Daboll gone. To me, THAT would be insanity. Mara would just be repeating the cycle that keeps the madness and futility going.

The change that needs to happen is not with the GM and HC being fired, rather, Mara needs to step back and all family members that have a role in the organization needs to be removed, thus removing their influence. That's the insanity.

If we used this approach, the Giants never would have had two more Super Bowl trophies.  They could have argued that replacing Fassel would be doing the same thing (cycling through coaches) as after Parcells; they went through Handley, Reeves, and then Fassel.  They fired Fassel and finally got it right, hiring Tom Coughlin.

More importantly, neither Daboll nor Schoen had demonstrated an aptitude for their jobs.

Daboll's players may love him, but it seems that's more due to Daboll not holding them accountable which leads to mental errors, dropped passes, and needless penalties.  Daboll's ability to assemble and manage a coaching staff is among the worst in the league.  Daboll's game management is mediocre, at best.  He might flash as an offensive play caller/designer, but there is far more than that in terms of being a good head coach.

As for Schoen, he has two terrible drafts and one good draft.  He has allowed the team to bleed more talent than they acquired.  On Hard Knocks the consensus is that he came off as clueless about building a quality football team, and the results support that conclusion.

There are no reasons to believe the team that has made the team worse in each of the last two seasons will suddenly see the light and turn things around.

[MightyGiants]

If they don't make significant progress they will just be fired after the 2025 season.  Sure hope they don't make too many long term commitments to mediocre players

I fear they will trade away that team's draft future on a mediocre QB in a Hail Mary play to save their jobs

[Brooklyn Dave]

I fear they will trade away that team's draft future on a mediocre QB in a Hail Mary play to save their jobs

I was going to post the same but you beat me to it . I totally agree .

[T200]

If we used this approach, the Giants never would have had two more Super Bowl trophies.  They could have argued that replacing Fassel would be doing the same thing (cycling through coaches) as after Parcells; they went through Handley, Reeves, and then Fassel.  They fired Fassel and finally got it right, hiring Tom Coughlin.

More importantly, neither Daboll nor Schoen had demonstrated an aptitude for their jobs.

Daboll's players may love him, but it seems that's more due to Daboll not holding them accountable which leads to mental errors, dropped passes, and needless penalties.  Daboll's ability to assemble and manage a coaching staff is among the worst in the league.  Daboll's game management is mediocre, at best.  He might flash as an offensive play caller/designer, but there is far more than that in terms of being a good head coach.

As for Schoen, he has two terrible drafts and one good draft.  He has allowed the team to bleed more talent than they acquired.  On Hard Knocks the consensus is that he came off as clueless about building a quality football team, and the results support that conclusion.

There are no reasons to believe the team that has made the team worse in each of the last two seasons will suddenly see the light and turn things around.

No reasons that you're willing to accept. But there are reasons.

[MightyGiants]

No reasons that you're willing to accept. But there are reasons.

Okay, to clarify, there is no GOOD reason (in my opinion) to believe the management team that has made the team worse in each of the last two seasons will suddenly see the light and turn things around.

[T200]

Okay, to clarify, there is no GOOD reason (in my opinion) to believe the management team that has made the team worse in each of the last two seasons will suddenly see the light and turn things around.

I understand your position.