Giants mouthpiece indicates Daboll (and presumably Schoen) are staying

[MightyGiants]

So assuming they win this week which seems all but assured due to the team's aggressive lack of intelligence, I'm not sure they even CAN get into position to get a QB anymore.  So maybe the plan is to let these guys suck next year since whoever they bring in isn't going to be able to win without a QB regardless and then fire them after next season.

Of course then whoever comes in next gets their QB and a roster that's mostly built and looks like a genius but whatever.  At this point I'm so fed up with this team I don't even want to get invested in anything they do.

I have resigned myself to the reality that I am a fan of a team that will be bad to mediocre for the foreseeable future.

[katkavage]

ALL. OF. THIS.
    

All true if he had the right GM and HC but remember it starts with Mara. He makes the pick of GM. That's why they have to change constantly. His picks are dreadful.

[Doc16LT56]

In all fairness, the reason the Giants couldn't afford Barkley is that the team needed to waste money on veteran O-linemen because Schoen and Daboll were terrible at drafting and developing O-line talent.  Had they been even mediocre, they would have had the funds to keep Barkley

True. It's also true that despite all that spending the OL is still in bad shape and depends on a healthy Andrew Thomas to be even respectable.

Maybe the calculus is that Schoen and Daboll give them the best chance to be bad in 2025 and get a higher draft pick. As ridiculous as that sounds, it makes more sense than any of the goofy reasons people have been giving for keeping those two.

[MightyGiants]

True. It's also true that despite all that spending the OL is still in bad shape and depends on a healthy Andrew Thomas to be even respectable.

Maybe the calculus is that Schoen and Daboll give them the best chance to be bad in 2025 and get a higher draft pick. As ridiculous as that sounds, it makes more sense than any of the goofy reasons people have been giving for keeping those two.

The only problem with that theory is that no matter how bad the team or how terrible the season is, the team will find a way to ruin its draft position. 

[T200]

All true if he had the right GM and HC but remember it starts with Mara. He makes the pick of GM. That's why they have to change constantly. His picks are dreadful.

I think his picks are a mixed bag. I think his meddling is more of an issue than his picks. If they aren't allowed to do their jobs without his interference, we'll never know what they can really do. Mara is the puppet master. Until those strings are cut (by himself or Schoen), not much will change.

[katkavage]

True. It's also true that despite all that spending the OL is still in bad shape and depends on a healthy Andrew Thomas to be even respectable.

Maybe the calculus is that Schoen and Daboll give them the best chance to be bad in 2025 and get a higher draft pick. As ridiculous as that sounds, it makes more sense than any of the goofy reasons people have been giving for keeping those two.

Mara is too stupid to be that cunning.

[Doc16LT56]

The only problem with that theory is that no matter how bad the team or how terrible the season is, the team will find a way to ruin its draft position. 

That seems to be the case. Like clockwork.

[katkavage]

I think his picks are a mixed bag. I think his meddling is more of an issue than his picks. If they aren't allowed to do their jobs without his interference, we'll never know what they can really do. Mara is the puppet master. Until those strings are cut (by himself or Schoen), not much will change.

So he meddled with Gettleman too? That's why Gettleman sucked?

[T200]

So he meddled with Gettleman too? That's why Gettleman sucked?

I would imagine so. It's what Mara does. I think he did it less with Gettleman because they were on the same page, as far as I'm concerned. Gettleman told Mara what he wanted to hear and did what he thought Mara wanted him to do.

We've seen Schoen go against what Mara wanted. To me, he's been laying the foundation to essentially tune Mara out when it comes to running the football operations and building the roster.

[andrew_nyGiants]

Kat,

I see where you're going so I'll attempt an answer.

We all know for a fact that he advocated for Jones and then whined over Barkleys popularity, which in Barkleys case BTW stunk of ticket and merch sales more so than W-L, because Mara did it publicly.

He didn't go public with Gettleman, I can only guess that perhaps DG presented himself as the high experienced, man of football wisdom.

Schoen and Daboll maybe perceived as youngsters he could control or at minimum influence.


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[Brooklyn Dave]

Great News

Why is that ," Great news " ? Have you seen the record this year ? Did you remember that the GM gave Jones $40 million dollars and then dropped him this year . Did you remember he let Sequon Barkly leave for the Eagles ? Did you remember that his 2022 and 2023 drafts have produced not one pro bowl player and his first three first round picks are average at best and maybe a bust for one ?

I am not even going to go into Daboll who ;looks like another participant in the Bill Arnsbargere syndrome , a good assistant coach but a terrible head coach.

And you say ," good News " !!! 

" Good News ", would be on Monday we read that both Schoen and Daboll have been released from their positions !!!

[MrGap92]

Why is that ," Great news " ? Have you seen the record this year ? Did you remember that the GM gave Jones $40 million dollars and then dropped him this year . Did you remember he let Sequon Barkly leave for the Eagles ? Did you remember that his 2022 and 2023 drafts have produced not one pro bowl player and his first three first round picks are average at best and maybe a bust for one ?

I am not even going to go into Daboll who ;looks like another participant in the Bill Arnsbargere syndrome , a good assistant coach but a terrible head coach.

And you say ," good News " !!! 

" Good News ", would be on Monday we read that both Schoen and Daboll have been released from their positions !!!

You have your opinion, I disagree with it, to each their own.

I can ask if you saw the many things I have seen the other way, but we have all done this ad nauseum, I don't have the energy to play this agenda tug of war anymore.

[katkavage]

I would imagine so. It's what Mara does. I think he did it less with Gettleman because they were on the same page, as far as I'm concerned. Gettleman told Mara what he wanted to hear and did what he thought Mara wanted him to do.

We've seen Schoen go against what Mara wanted. To me, he's been laying the foundation to essentially tune Mara out when it comes to running the football operations and building the roster.

To me, if you are correct, then why the contract to Jones? He didn't stand up to Mara's meddling in the biggest decision of his early tenure. And that has almost cost him his job. But does Mara meddle in the draft picks that have been C minus at best?

[Brooklyn Dave]

What candidates do you think are a clear cut upgrade based on who is realistically available as an option for the Giants?

I am not familiar with potential GM candidates but all I know is that the Commanders found theirs .

There must be people working under the GMS of THe Lions, Vikings, Packers , Chiefs who would be available.

I think that maybe Brandon Brown might be a better choice than Schoen . An AP writer that I am friendly with said that Brown was very instumental in this past year's draft but had little input  in 2023  draft.

Maybe hire a President of Football Operations to head up the team like Dawn Aponte who is Chief Of Football Oerations for the NFL.

[coggs]

If we used this approach, the Giants never would have had two more Super Bowl trophies.  They could have argued that replacing Fassel would be doing the same thing (cycling through coaches) as after Parcells; they went through Handley, Reeves, and then Fassel.  They fired Fassel and finally got it right, hiring Tom Coughlin.

More importantly, neither Daboll nor Schoen had demonstrated an aptitude for their jobs.

Daboll's players may love him, but it seems that's more due to Daboll not holding them accountable which leads to mental errors, dropped passes, and needless penalties.  Daboll's ability to assemble and manage a coaching staff is among the worst in the league.  Daboll's game management is mediocre, at best.  He might flash as an offensive play caller/designer, but there is far more than that in terms of being a good head coach.

As for Schoen, he has two terrible drafts and one good draft.  He has allowed the team to bleed more talent than they acquired.  On Hard Knocks the consensus is that he came off as clueless about building a quality football team, and the results support that conclusion.

There are no reasons to believe the team that has made the team worse in each of the last two seasons will suddenly see the light and turn things around.

Fasell was the coach for 7 years.  Reeves for 4.   People were ready to run Coughlin out of town after the 2nd year.

I fear they will trade away that team's draft future on a mediocre QB in a Hail Mary play to save their jobs

And, if they don't give up the farm to move up will you find something else to complain about?