Giants mouthpiece indicates Daboll (and presumably Schoen) are staying

[Woody]

My biggest concern and reason for not keeping Daboll...is.  The last two seasons opening day after preparing all off season and preseason to get ready ...
Daboll's teams have come out and been completely obliterated by another team....what does that say about a coach any coach?


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[todge]

In all fairness, the reason the Giants couldn't afford Barkley is that the team needed to waste money on veteran O-linemen because Schoen and Daboll were terrible at drafting and developing O-line talent.   Had they been even mediocre, they would have had the funds to keep Barkley

The Giants had $30 million in cap space which was plenty to sign Barkley Rich. Schoen put a top number on the money they were willing to pay Saquon and refused to budge. I don't think the Giants didn't have the money to pay Saquon. Am I wrong here?

I agree with you about both the GM and the coach. Schoen fired his entire scouting department and replaced them with entry level scouts. Most if not all scouting departments have a mix of vets and youth. This department is all youth.

Daboll's offense is so predictable and vanilla. His gameplanning seems adequate but I wonder how much input Kafka and the other offense coaches have. I don't recall one red zone pass into the end zone as he relies so much on YAC. His play calls rarely asked his QB to throw the ball down the field despite DJs excellent PFF ratings on completed throws over 20 yards. Then again, outside of Nabers, the remaining WRs are among the league's worst ... which brings up back to Schoen again!


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[todge]

Agreed.  Jones literally could not complete passes more than 15 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.  That is unheard of in the NFL.  How many times did we see plays on film breakdowns where the receivers WERE open and he just would not throw the ball?  We had Nabers saying how he was open on plays and he wouldnt throw it.  Then, a few weeks later he stepped back saying it was not the QB.  The  hell it wasnt the QB.  It 100% was.  Then, we had some on here saying that because Lock and DeVito were worse that somehow exonerated Jones as the problem.  Nonsense.   Oh, Vikings picked him up for their practice squad.  That must mean he is good.  Yeah, ok.

If Jones couldn't complete a pass beyond 15 yards he wouldn't even be in this league. Several years ago, PFF had Jones rated the 5th best pass completion percentage over 20 yards. You also cannot discount that Jones was "locked in" as his coach stated in games 2-4 where everyone here agreed Jones played well. He had no chance against Pittsburgh with 7 sacks, 10 hits and 10 hurries. He bounced back the next game going 20-26 with three drops and an elite 91.5 PFF grade.

As to not seeing open receivers- would suggest you read "Sunday Morning Quarterback " by Phil Simms. He stated that it's easy for the fans to see wide open receivers on your TV. But it's a different world on the field where it's constant mayhem with defenders all over the place. Simms went on to say all QBs miss open receivers.

There were 10-12 teams who recruited Daniel Jones. The Vikings coach said he was ecstatic that Jones chose his team spurning starting job offers from other teams. The "situation " was more important to Jones than starting for a lousy team again like the Giants. The only Roster spot open for the Vikings was their Practice Squad. Your statement that was the only recourse for Jones is not true.


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[Trench]

The Giants had $30 million in cap space which was plenty to sign Barkley Rich. Schoen put a top number on the money they were willing to pay Saquon and refused to budge. I don't think the Giants didn't have the money to pay Saquon. Am I wrong here?

I agree with you about both the GM and the coach. Schoen fired his entire scouting department and replaced them with entry level scouts. Most if not all scouting departments have a mix of vets and youth. This department is all youth.

Daboll's offense is so predictable and vanilla. His gameplanning seems adequate but I wonder how much input Kafka and the other offense coaches have. I don't recall one red zone pass into the end zone as he relies so much on YAC. His play calls rarely asked his QB to throw the ball down the field despite DJs excellent PFF ratings on completed throws over 20 yards. Then again, outside of Nabers, the remaining WRs are among the league's worst ... which brings up back to Schoen again!


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Full disclosure, me and Todge have had our fair share of aggressive disagreements and I can tell you for certain, his post is absolutely spot on the money. I couldn't agree more!

Well said Todge

[EDjohnst1981]

Honestly, the phrase "locked in" - a flippant comment by Daboll does so much heavy lifting. 

Congratulations on being "locked in" Daniel for six weeks of the season where you ended up a practice squad.