Giants mouthpiece indicates Daboll (and presumably Schoen) are staying

[killarich]

I'll wait to hear the official word.

I'd like to see both of them back.

I would also like them both back

Unless we know we are getting back bonafide stellar replacements

[MrGap92]

It is ironic to me, that many don't want to select from a "weak QB class" but are perfectly happy dipping into a weak HC/GM pool. And what few good candidates there are, are going to be turned away by an owner who went against his word just a few months ago, alongside the last few guys having short lives here also.

[MightyGiants]

It is ironic to me, that many don't want to select from a "weak QB class" but are perfectly happy dipping into a weak HC/GM pool. And what few good candidates there are, are going to be turned away by an owner who went against his word just a few months ago, alongside the last few guys having short lives here also.

How did you determine this is a "weak HC/GM pool"?

[andrew_nyGiants]

My view of the Giants definition of insanity is Mara changing out HC/GM every three years while keeping his thumb in the pie.

He needs to learn that you can't have it both ways.

STOP publicly advocating for a QB who will never be worth what you invested in him. STOP whining on a cable tv show about how you won't sleep at night if your most popular player, a RB ends up playing for a rival.

Your advocating for the QB made it impossible to invest in the RB based on the cap AND lack of talent along the OL. Had they acquiesced to your whining, your RB would have missed at least three games due to injury and would have produced a little offer half of what he's producing now in a best case scenario.

Your coveted QB would look a a little better due to having a great outlet RB to catch his popgun passes and STILL not solve his inability to consistently throw the ball down field. You know, like today's NFL QB's do these days.

I LOVE Barkley and I wanted to keep him. But two things remain true. One, he's in a much better place. Two, he would've had another wasted year here and we would still be in QB HELL.

John, if you're not able to identify the correct HC/GM combination hire a consultant or Better yet, a President of Football Operations to choose them, and then for the millionth time GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS!!

I honestly don't know if Schoen/Daboll are the right men for the job, because I haven't seen them run the operation without interference. So I am not invested one way or another whether they stay or go, other than I'm getting a little old to witness them starting from scratch YET AGAIN!


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[MrGap92]

How did you determine this is a "weak HC/GM pool"?

What candidates do you think are a clear cut upgrade based on who is realistically available as an option for the Giants?

[MightyGiants]

Your advocating for the QB made it impossible to invest in the RB based on the cap AND lack of talent along the OL. Had they acquiesced to your whining, your RB would have missed at least three games due to injury and would have produced a little offer half of what he's producing now in a best case scenario.

In all fairness, the reason the Giants couldn't afford Barkley is that the team needed to waste money on veteran O-linemen because Schoen and Daboll were terrible at drafting and developing O-line talent.   Had they been even mediocre, they would have had the funds to keep Barkley

[katkavage]

If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny. Well at least, if true, and I'm sure it is because Mara is a predictable idiot, we will all be going through this again next year at this time. Last year at this time it was easy to predict that the Giants, unless they got one of the QBs in the draft, would suck again because it was obvious Jones was subpar. Yet they kept him. It is obvious to me that if they keep Schoen and Daboll they will absolutely suck again next year. Good thing I don't waste money on tickets. But I do waste time on this miserable excuse for a franchise.

[Giantleap56]

If they are back we might as well fast forward to next years draft. Both need to go. I guess they want stability no matter if it is losing. As long as they have stability in that.

If majority of people on this board put out an effort like this at work they would be let go. I'm still holding out hope we remove these two on Monday.

[Gmo11]

The team will have a lame duck GM in Schoen who will be desperate to find any quarterback to try to save his and Daboll's jobs.

So assuming they win this week which seems all but assured due to the team's aggressive lack of intelligence, I'm not sure they even CAN get into position to get a QB anymore.  So maybe the plan is to let these guys suck next year since whoever they bring in isn't going to be able to win without a QB regardless and then fire them after next season.

Of course then whoever comes in next gets their QB and a roster that's mostly built and looks like a genius but whatever.  At this point I'm so fed up with this team I don't even want to get invested in anything they do.

[katkavage]

What candidates do you think are a clear cut upgrade based on who is realistically available as an option for the Giants?

An upgrade from 5-12 and 3-13? Not hard to go up from there.

[Gmo11]

In all fairness, the reason the Giants couldn't afford Barkley is that the team needed to waste money on veteran O-linemen because Schoen and Daboll were terrible at drafting and developing O-line talent.  Had they been even mediocre, they would have had the funds to keep Barkley

Of course they could have also just NOT paid Jones when it was clear to just about everybody he's awful.  That too would have cleared out plenty of money for Barkley.  However I don't think Barkley was coming back unless they damn near doubled the Philly offer.  He wanted out and I don't blame him.  At this point I want out too.

[katkavage]

How did you determine this is a "weak HC/GM pool"?

I don't know much about GMs, but there are actually some very viable good HC candidates out there.

[MightyGiants]

What candidates do you think are a clear cut upgrade based on who is realistically available as an option for the Giants?

GM is difficult to say because, as fans outside of education and experience, there is little to go on.

As far as head coaches, there are new ones, which we can't say would be better or worse (unless they were willing to interview with us).  In terms of veteran coaches, Vrabel has a superior track record to Daboll. Even Arthur Smith, Brian Flores, and Kliff Kingsbury have better records than Daboll.

Outside of Vrabrel and the complicated Brian Flores, there are upgrades but not proven slam dunks.  As for the new ones, much like QB prospects one or two will likely be hits while the others tank.

[Giant Obsession]

GREAT NEWS

I should be able to shoot in the low 80's by this coming fall.

Fore !!!

RIP Giants football.

[T200]

My view of the Giants definition of insanity is Mara changing out HC/GM every three years while keeping his thumb in the pie.

He needs to learn that you can't have it both ways.

STOP publicly advocating for a QB who will never be worth what you invested in him. STOP whining on a cable tv show about how you won't sleep at night if your most popular player, a RB ends up playing for a rival.

Your advocating for the QB made it impossible to invest in the RB based on the cap AND lack of talent along the OL. Had they acquiesced to your whining, your RB would have missed at least three games due to injury and would have produced a little offer half of what he's producing now in a best case scenario.

Your coveted QB would look a a little better due to having a great outlet RB to catch his popgun passes and STILL not solve his inability to consistently throw the ball down field. You know, like today's NFL QB's do these days.

I LOVE Barkley and I wanted to keep him. But two things remain true. One, he's in a much better place. Two, he would've had another wasted year here and we would still be in QB HELL.

John, if you're not able to identify the correct HC/GM combination hire a consultant or Better yet, a President of Football Operations to choose them, and then for the millionth time GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS!!

I honestly don't know if Schoen/Daboll are the right men for the job, because I haven't seen them run the operation without interference. So I am not invested one way or another whether they stay or go, other than I'm getting a little old to witness them starting from scratch YET AGAIN!


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ALL. OF. THIS.