Need to draft O when Draft Strength Is D

[Philosophers]

I like Carter a lot but what about Mason Graham next to Dexter ? Some have compared him to Hutchinson but I am not that sure about that comparison.

I compared Graham's motor to Hutchison's motor as I have seen both play a ton.  Hutchinson was an edge but he plays now a lot of DT for the Lions given his quickness and strength.  Graham is very quick, much bigger than Hutchinson.  Graham wins with quickness and leverage.  He plays through the whistle like Hutchinson and never takes a play off. 

[Brooklyn Dave]

I compared Graham's motor to Hutchison's motor as I have seen both play a ton.  Hutchinson was an edge but he plays now a lot of DT for the Lions given his quickness and strength.  Graham is very quick, much bigger than Hutchinson.  Graham wins with quickness and leverage.  He plays through the whistle like Hutchinson and never takes a play off. 

Sounds like a win for the Giants if they draft him.

[Bob In PA]

I compared Graham's motor to Hutchison's motor as I have seen both play a ton.  Hutchinson was an edge but he plays now a lot of DT for the Lions given his quickness and strength.  Graham is very quick, much bigger than Hutchinson.  Graham wins with quickness and leverage.  He plays through the whistle like Hutchinson and never takes a play off. 

Phil: That is the right thing to do. Start by solidifying the middle of the field on defense. Will the Giants take that approach? Highly doubtful, because it won't "play well" with casual fans. Is he worth passing on guys like the two 2 CB's? Too early to decide that question IMO. Bob

[4 Aces]

Seems like you have it pegged well here.

The Giants are going to acquire a vet bridge QB. (Smart $$$ says it'll be the same QB they tried to trade for at the deadline.)

It's a classic "can't lose" scenario for Mara.

Either Daboll & Schoen prove they're the real deal and stay on to develop the young QB in 2026, or they continue to suck and a new regime aligns with/drafts QB, in what is hopefully a stronger class.

They'll draft a QB in the 1st round this year if it makes sense, but if they get the vet they want, they don't have to. If you don't think they're at least THINKING about Arch Manning, you're being naive. Everyone is.

[Philosophers]

Seems like you have it pegged well here.

The Giants are going to acquire a vet bridge QB. (Smart $$$ says it'll be the same QB they tried to trade for at the deadline.) Daboll/Schoen clearly know they're on the hot seat now. They either put an NFL-quality product on the field with a vet QB, or they don't, the team will suck again, and they can draft a QB next year.

It's one of those classic "can't lose" scenarios for Mara.

Either Daboll & Schoen prove they're the real deal and stay on to develop the young QB in 2026, or they continue to suck and a new regime aligns with/drafts QB, in what is hopefully a stronger class.

If you don't think they're at least THINKING about Arch Manning, you're being naive. Everyone is.

If the Giants get a bridge QB who outperforms his historical performance, that will go a long way to securing JS/BD's future with the Giants.  JS has to select one.  BD has to develop him.  Easier to do if say Hunter is opposite Nabers with say an OT or OG picked in round 2.

[madbadger]

This free agency class is fairly deep at IOL and corner the positions we need the most help outside of quarterback. If Schoen does his job in free agency we should have the luxury of being able to draft the BPA through out the draft unless he feels compelled to take a quarterback. I still maintain that Ward is worthy of a top 4 pick but Sanders isn't. This time last year Daniels and Nix were guys being discussed as not being worthy of a top 10 pick. By the time the season ends a case could be made that they should have gone 1st and 2nd overall. There is still lots of ground to cover between now and the draft.

[Brooklyn Dave]

This free agency class is fairly deep at IOL and corner the positions we need the most help outside of quarterback. If Schoen does his job in free agency we should have the luxury of being able to draft the BPA through out the draft unless he feels compelled to take a quarterback. I still maintain that Ward is worthy of a top 4 pick but Sanders isn't. This time last year Daniels and Nix were guys being discussed as not being worthy of a top 10 pick. By the time the season ends a case could be made that they should have gone 1st and 2nd overall. There is still lots of ground to cover between now and the draft.

Who are the Free Agent OL men that you refer to ?

[Jclayton92]

My perfect offseason as of right now.

Big Ticket Free Agents:

Trey Smith Guard

Cousins or Fields to a 2yr cheap contract as your bridge Qb.

DJ Reed young elite boundary corner to pair with our 1st overall pick to have CB set for a while with Phillips in the nickel.

Low level Free Agents:

Walker Little tackle as a swing tackle/depth

Chase Young 3rd rotational edge

BJ Hill DT depth

Draft:

1st Travis Hunter elite corner that we can use 15 plays a game on offense

2nd Walter Nolen- a force on the Dline that would immediately make our Dline one of the top 5 in the league.

3rd Jaxson Dart- can sit behind the bridge and get better.

4th Cameron Williams RT immediately adds depth that can get stronger for a year and start in 2026

4th JJ Pegues TE/DL We get a RB, TE, and DL all in one in a monster of a man.

5th Jimmy Horn Jr WR can't ever have too much speed.

[MightyGiants]

My perfect offseason as of right now.

Big Ticket Free Agents:

Trey Smith Guard

Cousins or Fields to a 2yr cheap contract as your bridge Qb.

DJ Reed young elite boundary corner to pair with our 1st overall pick to have CB set for a while with Phillips in the nickel.

Low level Free Agents:

Walker Little tackle as a swing tackle/depth

Chase Young 3rd rotational edge

BJ Hill DT depth

Draft:

1st Travis Hunter elite corner that we can use 15 plays a game on offense

2nd Walter Nolen- a force on the Dline that would immediately make our Dline one of the top 5 in the league.

3rd Jaxson Dart- can sit behind the bridge and get better.

4th Cameron Williams RT immediately adds depth that can get stronger for a year and start in 2026

4th JJ Pegues TE/DL We get a RB, TE, and DL all in one in a monster of a man.

5th Jimmy Horn Jr WR can't ever have too much speed.

Jess,  this is an outstanding post that easily could have been a new thread with all the content.

I am curious, as drafting a QB is pretty important, what is your plan B if someone beats NYG to Dart?

[Jclayton92]

Jess,  this is an outstanding post that easily could have been a new thread with all the content.

I am curious, as drafting a QB is pretty important, what is your plan B if someone beats NYG to Dart?

Yeah I just didn't want to clog up the forum with yet another thread so thought I'd post it here.

I've wanted to wait until 2026 for a Qb this whole time. If Dart is there, then I am fine with developing him, worse case we get a good backup for cheap and get our guy in 2026. I just don't want to spend extra capital on anyone in this class.

[MrGap92]

My perfect offseason as of right now.

Big Ticket Free Agents:

Trey Smith Guard

Cousins or Fields to a 2yr cheap contract as your bridge Qb.

DJ Reed young elite boundary corner to pair with our 1st overall pick to have CB set for a while with Phillips in the nickel.

Low level Free Agents:

Walker Little tackle as a swing tackle/depth

Chase Young 3rd rotational edge

BJ Hill DT depth

Draft:

1st Travis Hunter elite corner that we can use 15 plays a game on offense

2nd Walter Nolen- a force on the Dline that would immediately make our Dline one of the top 5 in the league.

3rd Jaxson Dart- can sit behind the bridge and get better.

4th Cameron Williams RT immediately adds depth that can get stronger for a year and start in 2026

4th JJ Pegues TE/DL We get a RB, TE, and DL all in one in a monster of a man.

5th Jimmy Horn Jr WR can't ever have too much speed.

I can get down with this. I prefer Adebo at CB and Deone Walker at DT but nonetheless a strong list.

I am not familiar on Pegues, but your description intrigues the hell out of me.

[MightyGiants]

Yeah I just didn't want to clog up the forum with yet another thread so thought I'd post it here.

I've wanted to wait until 2026 for a Qb this whole time. If Dart is there, then I am fine with developing him, worse case we get a good backup for cheap and get our guy in 2026. I just don't want to spend extra capital on anyone in this class.

Because of the three pressers and the big decision, there were tons to talk about. Today, I was lucky to find a few good tweets to start topics with.  Going forward, with no new football and nothing major (beyond a potential assistant coach change) to talk about (at least until free agency), new threads would be more than welcome.    We are going to need things to talk about, and while I do my best, I am just one person and one person's idea of good topics.  So I get your reasoning, but with things getting quiet, I can use all the help I can get in terms of topics.

[uconnjack8]

Big ticket FA's?  This team is on the lower end of having available cap space. 

I don't get the idea of a 3-14 team making a big splash in FA.  Further, this team would likely have to offer a bit more than decent teams to lure "big ticket" FAs to the team. 

[MightyGiants]

Big ticket FA's?  This team is on the lower end of having available cap space. 

I don't get the idea of a 3-14 team making a big splash in FA.  Further, this team would likely have to offer a bit more than decent teams to lure "big ticket" FAs to the team. 

According to Over the Cap, the team has about $38 million of effective cap space.  There aren't even many cuts that will free up space.  You could save $3 million and change cutting Nacho, but that's about it in terms of cuts increasing cap space.  Dead money is pretty big, with $22 million from DJ's contract and another $5 million from Waller.

I suspect Schoen may borrow from next year's cap based on this comment from his presser:


"So, we're sitting here with 40-plus million dollars in cap space and over 100 the following year."

I think the difference between the Over the Cap number I cited and Schoens, is effective cap space accounts for signing draft picks, while I suspect Schoen's didn't.

Still, if the Giants don't have a big-ticket QB on the payroll in the near future, they can afford to spend a little bit more than usual and maybe even borrow a little future money (not a lot, though)

[madbadger]

Who are the Free Agent OL men that you refer to ?

Off PFF's top 30 pending free agents you have:

G Trey Smith KC
T Ronnie Stanley Balt
T Cam Robinson Minny
C Drew Dalman Atl
G Will Fries Indy
G Tevin Jenkins Chi
G Kevin Zeitler Det
G James Daniels Pitt
T Tyron Smith NYJ

Taking a tackle and kicking Elumenor inside is probably the smartest move IMHO as it gives you the added insurance of having Elumenor and whatever tackle you sign to pair if Thomas gets hurt again. If not there are some strong interior OL options.