Need to draft O when Draft Strength Is D

[Jclayton92]

Big ticket FA's?  This team is on the lower end of having available cap space. 

I don't get the idea of a 3-14 team making a big splash in FA.  Further, this team would likely have to offer a bit more than decent teams to lure "big ticket" FAs to the team. 

Giants are expected to have up to 40-60 million in cap space and that's if they don't restructure anyone. That isn't lower end to me, and how are they supposed to get better if they never sign anyone? Two big signings isn't the end of the world, I mean would it not be worth it to sign a guard and corner if it solidified the o line and corner back unit for the next 5 years?

[MightyGiants]

@Jclayton92

The mere mention of Trey Smith raises my BP.  The Giants could have easily drafted him.  This was during the Joe Judge era, and Judge had a coach from Tennessee so he had inside information on the medical issue (clotting) that caused him to drop in the draft.

Either they ignored the insider information or our "crack" medical staff needlessly nixed him (I say needlessly because he has been fine the past 4 years with the Chiefs).

[madbadger]

Big ticket FA's?  This team is on the lower end of having available cap space. 

I don't get the idea of a 3-14 team making a big splash in FA.  Further, this team would likely have to offer a bit more than decent teams to lure "big ticket" FAs to the team. 

According to Over the Cap we are 15th overall for cap space in 2025 and 8th in 2026. I suspect it is one of the reasons why Mara elected to keep Schoen. He inherited cap hell and has the team in a good place the next two years. If only he can have a 2025 draft class as good as 2024 and two quality free agent hauls we could be playoff contenders in 2026.

[Jclayton92]

I can get down with this. I prefer Adebo at CB and Deone Walker at DT but nonetheless a strong list.

I am not familiar on Pegues, but your description intrigues the hell out of me.

Was a 5 star TE recruit out of high school that switched to D Line after his freshman season. 6'3 320lbs Had 42 tackles, 14 Tfls, 4 sacks, and 1 FR as a nose tackle and an additional 7 Tds on offense this past season. 

[Philosophers]

@Jclayton92

The mere mention of Trey Smith raises my BP.  The Giants could have easily drafted him.  This was during the Joe Judge era, and Judge had a coach from Tennessee so he had inside information on the medical issue (clotting) that caused him to drop in the draft.

Either they ignored the insider information or our "crack" medical staff needlessly nixed him (I say needlessly because he has been fine the past 4 years with the Chiefs).

Made me crazy Rich.

In his four years with the Chiefs, Trey Smith has only missed one game.  Got to love that.  Also he's played Right Guard which is our hole.  I'd be up for signing him and drafting a right tackle.

Guys, whether it's a FA QB, Jaxson Dart or someone else, we need more OL help to help the QB

[kingm56]

Plus, the Giants have their few quality players locked up; meaning, we can use our total allocation to acquire talent. 

[Bob In PA]

Giants are expected to have up to 40-60 million in cap space and that's if they don't restructure anyone. That isn't lower end to me

J: I don't follow the $$ stuff but agree we have money than most teams, and it's "enough" to get better. Bob

[uconnjack8]

Giants are expected to have up to 40-60 million in cap space and that's if they don't restructure anyone. That isn't lower end to me, and how are they supposed to get better if they never sign anyone? Two big signings isn't the end of the world, I mean would it not be worth it to sign a guard and corner if it solidified the o line and corner back unit for the next 5 years?

I was wrong about cap space they are middle of the pack. Certainly not nearly as much as you would expect from a 3 win team.

Buying their way out of the basement seems like an awful idea. Seems exactly what DG would have done or did try to do. 


Spending 25-30 million/year on a CB would bring the total for 3 defensive players (CB, Burns and Dex) to about 85 million.  And you still don't have a long term solution at QB.

Buying 1 guard doesn't fix the OL for 5 years.  And signing a CB doesn't do that for the secondary. 

This is exactly the philosophy that will have the next GM saying what Schoen said about cleaning up the cap during his first press conference.

Spending big on FAs with this 3 win team is nothing more than trying to build a fantasy football team. 

It's certainly not the end of the world, it's just a continuation of the world the Giants have been living in for about a decade.

[Philosophers]

We need to draft players and not sign FAs given how bad we are.  The only position that moves the needle is QB. 

Sign a FA QB then draft two OL after round 1 that can start and push 2024 starters to bench as backup

[kingm56]

I was wrong about cap space they are middle of the pack. Certainly not nearly as much as you would expect from a 3 win team.

Buying their way out of the basement seems like an awful idea. Seems exactly what DG would have done or did try to do. 


Spending 25-30 million/year on a CB would bring the total for 3 defensive players (CB, Burns and Dex) to about 85 million.  And you still don't have a long term solution at QB.

Buying 1 guard doesn't fix the OL for 5 years.  And signing a CB doesn't do that for the secondary. 

This is exactly the philosophy that will have the next GM saying what Schoen said about cleaning up the cap during his first press conference.

Spending big on FAs with this 3 win team is nothing more than trying to build a fantasy football team. 

It's certainly not the end of the world, it's just a continuation of the world the Giants have been living in for about a decade.

Matt,

You're looking at the salary cap from a static perspective. Regarding the Giants, how many teams ahead of them are facing challenging salary cap decisions? For example, the Vikings have a whopping 38 free agents, including Sam Darnold, Cam Robinson, Aaron Jones, Camryn Bynum, and Byron Murphy. With few exceptions, this is true for most of the teams ahead of the Giants, which makes it unlikely that they will spend significant money on free agents other than their own. Conversely, unlike other teams, the Giants should have the bulk of their salary cap available to acquire new talent.

[uconnjack8]

Matt,

You're looking at the salary cap from a static perspective. Regarding the Giants, how many teams ahead of them are facing challenging salary cap decisions? For example, the Vikings have a whopping 38 free agents, including Sam Darnold, Cam Robinson, Aaron Jones, Camryn Bynum, and Byron Murphy. With few exceptions, this is true for most of the teams ahead of the Giants, which makes it unlikely that they will spend significant money on free agents other than their own. Conversely, unlike other teams, the Giants should have the bulk of their salary cap available to acquire new talent.

I don't know if it's static or not but I just don't think a 3 win team with no QB should be making any splash in FA.

Like I said I don't think buying their way out of the basement is a good idea in anyway shape or form. 

Feels like in about two years with a new GM this place will be bemoaning the bad contracts signed by a GM trying to save himself.

It's not my money, they can spend it anyway they want, I just highly doubt that it will be a net gain at this point.
 

[kingm56]

I don't know if it's static or not but I just don't think a 3 win team with no QB should be making any splash in FA.

Like I said I don't think buying their way out of the basement is a good idea in anyway shape or form. 

Feels like in about two years with a new GM this place will be bemoaning the bad contracts signed by a GM trying to save himself.

It's not my money, they can spend it anyway they want, I just highly doubt that it will be a net gain at this point.
 

Nor do I, but I think we can use the money to fill holes with young players, who will be around post 2025. I'm thinking primarily guard and LBs; the latter is something we rarely draft anyways...

[coggs]

If it is not a QB R1 (because we take a name FA or we target one day 2) then CB Will Johnson or DT Mason Graham for me. Hunter can talk about 2 way but in the NFL he will be one way (likely WR) and maybe the odd gadget scheme. We need CB1 more than WR1b and Graham maximises Dex/Burns/KT.

I think the opposite on Hunter.  I think he is a CB and a PT receiver.  Maybe in trips or 3 receiver sets, 2 minute drill situations.

[uconnjack8]

I don't know which position is better for Hunter but he his Giants team needs everything and anything it can get on offense. 

Having another great option at WR will only help whoever the QB ends up being. 

[Jclayton92]

I think the opposite on Hunter.  I think he is a CB and a PT receiver.  Maybe in trips or 3 receiver sets, 2 minute drill situations.

Yeah from my understanding most see him as a full time CB1 with the understanding he gets 10-15 snaps a game on offense.