2025 NFL QB market

[Bob In PA]

In terms of Sanders and Ward, my feeling is this:

The Giants draft 3rd in what appears to be a two QB market and both teams ahead of them desperately (like the Giants) need a QB.   I doubt either would trade with the Giants unless they have serious doubts about the abilities of Ward and/or Sanders.   Neither will fall unless the Titans or Browns have serious doubts about the pair.

So, beyond the usual crapshoot that comes with drafting a QB, you would be drafting (3rd overall) a QB another team felt wasn't good enough.  I would think that another team assessed and passed on the prospect would lower the chances of success should the Giants pick either of them.

Rich: Like I said previously, IMO the third pick is the place to be this year.

The possibilities: (1) both QB's are worthy (doubtful) and they will be gone; (2) Giants will show us how highly they think of one of them by moving up whatever the cost (unlikely); or (3) one or both QB is still be there, in which case the Giants can also pass them up and get a non-QB in this draft (which has three or four IMO can't-miss TRUE blue-chip prospects who are worthy of being taken in the top five of the draft).

Barring all those scenarios, there is sure to be a team who covets one of those non-QB's (needing a player to fill out their inside straight and make them a Super Bowl contender) who will offer us the moon to trade down.

Bob

PS. It's implied above but I agree that if either or both QBs are still there, the Giants SHOULD (and IMO are likely to) also ignore them UNLESS (the nightmare scenario - extremely unlikely) the two non-QB's they wanted most are both already gone. In that case they might re-evaluate not coming away without a QB as a consolation prize (however ill-advised some of us believe that might be).

[T200]

In terms of Sanders and Ward, my feeling is this:

The Giants draft 3rd in what appears to be a two QB market and both teams ahead of them desperately (like the Giants) need a QB.   I doubt either would trade with the Giants unless they have serious doubts about the abilities of Ward and/or Sanders.   Neither will fall unless the Titans or Browns have serious doubts about the pair.

So, beyond the usual crapshoot that comes with drafting a QB, you would be drafting (3rd overall) a QB another team felt wasn't good enough.  I would think that another team assessed and passed on the prospect would lower the chances of success should the Giants pick either of them.

   

By that same reasoning, Bo Nix shouldn't have had the season he had since other teams that needed a QB assessed and passed on him.

[MightyGiants]

   

By that same reasoning, Bo Nix shouldn't have had the season he had since other teams that needed a QB assessed and passed on him.

Ahh, does the exception disprove the rule argument?  Should teams be seeking out the 6th QB off the board because of the success of Nix, or was that more an aberration that could be attributed to a historically strong draft class and the excellent QB environment that Payton and the Broncos provide?  It also might be worth noting that the only QB-needy team to pass on drafting a QB prior to the Broncos selecting Nix were our own NY Giants.

[T200]

Ahh, does the exception disprove the rule argument?  Should teams be seeking out the 6th QB off the board because of the success of Nix, or was that more an aberration that could be attributed to a historically strong draft class and the excellent QB environment that Payton and the Broncos provide?  It also might be worth noting that the only QB-needy team to pass on drafting a QB prior to the Broncos selecting Nix were our own NY Giants.

There were 5, maybe 6, QB-needy teams that deemed Nix not to be worthy of their pick.

[MightyGiants]

There were 5, maybe 6, QB-needy teams that deemed Nix not to be worthy of their pick.

Are you referring to the teams who drafted other QBs?

[T200]

Are you referring to the teams who drafted other QBs?

Yes

[MightyGiants]

Yes

I don't think the Commanders or even the Pats regret their picks.   The Vikings QB got hurt, so I put them off to the side.   The Bears drafted Caleb (not my favorite), but he was considered by many to be the most talented QB of the bunch.   The only QB-needy teams who may regret passing on Nix would be NYG and the Falcons (pending the ultimate success of Penix).  Of course, it's always worth remembering that QBs are not universal where you can plug them into any team, and they will play as well or develop as well as they did with another team.

[T200]

I don't think the Commanders or even the Pats regret their picks.   The Vikings QB got hurt, so I put them off to the side.   The Bears drafted Caleb (not my favorite), but he was considered by many to be the most talented QB of the bunch.   The only QB-needy teams who may regret passing on Nix would be NYG and the Falcons (pending the ultimate success of Penix).  Of course, it's always worth remembering that QBs are not universal where you can plug them into any team, and they will play as well or develop as well as they did with another team.

I'm not talking about regret. I was referring to your statement:

I would think that another team assessed and passed on the prospect would lower the chances of success should the Giants pick either of them.

Other teams assessed and passed on Nix but he still had a good season.

[MightyGiants]

I'm not talking about regret. I was referring to your statement:

Other teams assessed and passed on Nix but he still had a good season.

This year's situation is there are currently only two QBs worthy of first-round selection.  So your point about drafting a different QB, is not really relevant.  The only thing relevant in this discussion is if teams with a major need at QB will pass on one of the only two prospects considered first-round worthy. 

To the idea that we can recreate the Bo Nix development situation with the Giants and prove other teams wrong, I do not like my odds.

I suspect a more relevant situation may be when multiple QB-needy teams passed on Kenny Picketts, allowing the Steelers to draft him 20th overall. 

Look, I am not suggesting that the staffs of the Browns and Titans (and presumably teams that potentially would trade up) are perfect and that having one fall to three means there is no chance the QB prospect will develop into an NFL franchise QB.  I am merely suggesting that the events that are required to happen to allow the Giants to draft one of them would suggests the odds of success are lower than normal.

[MrGap92]

I don't think the Commanders or even the Pats regret their picks.   The Vikings QB got hurt, so I put them off to the side.   The Bears drafted Caleb (not my favorite), but he was considered by many to be the most talented QB of the bunch.   The only QB-needy teams who may regret passing on Nix would be NYG and the Falcons (pending the ultimate success of Penix). Of course, it's always worth remembering that QBs are not universal where you can plug them into any team, and they will play as well or develop as well as they did with another team.

Excellent point that I agree with.

Who is to say TEN/CLE pass on a QB due to schematic fit, and they wouldn't "plug in" well, but Giants might feel the opposite? If anything I'd consider that an increased chance of success.

[MightyGiants]

Excellent point that I agree with.

Who is to say TEN/CLE pass on a QB due to schematic fit, and they wouldn't "plug in" well, but Giants might feel the opposite? If anything I'd consider that an increased chance of success.

In light of the shortage of franchise QBs, and the success (or lack thereof) of teams lacking a franchise QB, do you consider it wise to pass on a QB you believe could be a franchise QB because he doesn't fit your scheme?  Would it be wiser to adjust your scheme if you believe the QB can be successful in the right scheme?

As we have been talking about since at least the win over the Colts, it's not easy to find a QB prospect who you believe will be a franchise QB much less an elite QB.

[MrGap92]

In light of the shortage of franchise QBs, and the success (or lack thereof) of teams lacking a franchise QB, do you consider it wise to pass on a QB you believe could be a franchise QB because he doesn't fit your scheme?  Would it be wiser to adjust your scheme if you believe the QB can be successful in the right scheme?

As we have been talking about since at least the win over the Colts, it's not easy to find a QB prospect who you believe will be a franchise QB much less an elite QB.

If a player isn't a fit, they aren't a fit. At that point you are putting a square peg in a round hole. Do you just dunp the other 20 something offensive players and replace them to match the scheme of the new QB? Has the coaching staff worked in that type of system before? Maybe they would all need to be gutted too for this hypothetical team.

[MightyGiants]

If a player isn't a fit, they aren't a fit. At that point you are putting a square peg in a round hole. Do you just dunp the other 20 something offensive players and replace them to match the scheme of the new QB? Has the coaching staff worked in that type of system before? Maybe they would all need to be gutted too for this hypothetical team.

I think a prime example would be a QB like Milroe.  Suppose the Giants believe they could develop him along the lines of Lamar Jackson.  With Lamar Jackson, the offense needs to be adjusted to play to his strengths (especially early in his career).  Would you be happy if Daboll had the team pass on Milroe (in this hypothetical, both Schoen and Daboll believe he could be a plus QB in the right system) because he doesn't want to run the type of system that would make Milroe and compelling franchise QB?  If Daboll gets fired after this season, does that change your view on passing on a potential QB?

It's not like teams know they will get another bite at the QB apple next season.  So it's do you draft a QB you believe can bring you a decade of success, with the only downside being you need to adjust your scheme or continue to flounder, hoping that in the near future (hopefully), the team might be in a position to draft a potential franchise QB who fits the scheme the team currently (as long as the coach is there)runs,

[Jclayton92]

In terms of Sanders and Ward, my feeling is this:

The Giants draft 3rd in what appears to be a two QB market and both teams ahead of them desperately (like the Giants) need a QB.   I doubt either would trade with the Giants unless they have serious doubts about the abilities of Ward and/or Sanders.   Neither will fall unless the Titans or Browns have serious doubts about the pair.

So, beyond the usual crapshoot that comes with drafting a QB, you would be drafting (3rd overall) a QB another team felt wasn't good enough.  I would think that another team assessed and passed on the prospect would lower the chances of success should the Giants pick either of them.

I'm not certain the teams ahead of us take a qb.

[Bob In PA]

I'm not certain the teams ahead of us take a qb.

J: Another angle on your point, which I agree with, is that one or both above us trade down for more picks, knowing that one or the other QB will still be there at least until Pick Seven (IMO).

Along this same line of thinking, it is absolutely crucial for the Giants to appear VERY interested in both QB's (I'm hoping and assuming they're not interested in either with Pick Three). Keeping that secret will produce the result I'm most hoping for... both teams ahead of us stay put and pick QB's.

By the way, someone just asked me, so I'll ask you: if you had to take either Graham (Michigan) or Hunter (Colorado) which player is better for the Giants, considering all the details of their current situation?

Bob