Offensive Line spending allocation

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/fball_insights/status/1876506132522713197

[GordonGekko80]

You (more or less) get what you pay for is the message? 

[MightyGiants]

You (more or less) get what you pay for is the message? 

To a degree, yes

I think it's also worth noting that hitting on draft picks will help reduce the overall spending.

[GordonGekko80]

To a degree, yes

I think it's also worth noting that hitting on draft picks will help reduce the overall spending.

Like with Evan Neal... 

We effed up a few draft picks on the O Line, the other being Flowers. Although we got ourselves a good LT for the future. But I question his durability.

[Bob In PA]

This analysis is interesting, but useless when your best/highest-paid OL misses most of the season. Bob

[uconnjack8]

You (more or less) get what you pay for is the message? 

Maybe I am misreading this chart, but it looks to me like the Giants spent a bit and have poor results.  Compared to a team like the Eagles who somehow have spent less but have a top 5 line.

Or compare to say Detroit who has a similar spend but much better results.

I think this regimes missing on OL picks has created a need to spend.

[MightyGiants]

This analysis is interesting, but useless when your best/highest-paid OL misses most of the season. Bob

Well, that is another factor in team building.  How injury-prone are your players?  How good is your depth?  How good is your team at keeping your players healthy and on the field?

[MightyGiants]

Maybe I am misreading this chart, but it looks to me like the Giants spent a bit and have poor results.  Compared to a team like the Eagles who somehow have spent less but have a top 5 line.

Or compare to say Detroit who has a similar spend but much better results.

I think this regimes missing on OL picks has created a need to spend.

I can think of few positions (outside of maybe QB) where needing to go to the free agent market is less attractive.   There has been an O-line shortage for years, so teams rarely let quality offensive linemen walk.

[Doc16LT56]

This analysis is interesting, but useless when your best/highest-paid OL misses most of the season. Bob

Yes and no. The chart is a measure of outcomes. And we know one of the most important abilities is availability. So the outcome this year was poor compared to the cap allocation. But you're right in that there is more context to consider.

[Doc16LT56]

I can think of few positions (outside of maybe QB) where needing to go to the free agent market is less attractive.  There has been an O-line shortage for years, so teams rarely let quality offensive linemen walk.

Good point. In free agency, with a few exceptions, you often spend big dollars on players who are closer to serviceable than difference makers.

[babywhales]

Through 2 GMs tenure and the end of Reese's tenure this team has failed to successfully draft and develop a quality line.

Doesn't matter when or where we pick the player, nor does it matter who we sign, the result is the same .

Poor line play

The beginning of this season is the most promising line play in a long time but overall since 2010 o line play has been below average to horrible

[MightyGiants]

Through 2 GMs tenure and the end of Reese's tenure this team has failed to successfully draft and develop a quality line.

Doesn't matter when or where we pick the player, nor does it matter who we sign, the result is the same .

Poor line play

The beginning of this season is the most promising line play in a long time but overall since 2010 o line play has been below average to horrible

There is an old saying that teams who are most successful drafting QBs are the ones drafting one when they don't need one.  I think that saying rings true because it's better not to be shopping hungry or drafting for need.

Toward the end fo the Jerry Reese era, he neglected the O-line as it got progressively older.  Sure, he would take a few day 3 flyers, but unfortunately, none of them panned out.  His strategy of drafting college tackles and moving them to guard did not bear fruit.

So by the end of the Reese era and through the next two GMs, this team had been starving when they were buying groceries.  The need was overwhelming and, I suspect, played a significant role in many of the swings and misses.

I think it takes time to build up a quality O-line, yet both Gettleman and Schoen tried to fix it over-night (technically in their first offseason).   Once you build a line, I think it's prudent for a team to spend at least a day two pick (or equivalent) in every draft so there is a steady stream of young talent to provide depth and replacements for older players who either cost too much or are getting too old.

Of course, the other big factor is the O-line coach.  Although I will confess that I am surprised the O-line coach ran out of town last off-season is doing quite well with the Washington Commanders.  That suggests some sort of yet identified systemic issue.

[Philosophers]

For both pass and run blocking that is the worst box of the four boxes in the quadrant to be in.  Spend the most and have the lowest PFF.  Horrible, horrible.

[killarich]

Like with Evan Neal... 

We effed up a few draft picks on the O Line, the other being Flowers. Although we got ourselves a good LT for the future. But I question his durability.

Speaking of Neal what on earth are we doing with him


Since he came back... he's had games where he looked TERRIBLE.. .. then some where he looked like "I mean if he plays this way"

I think we dropped the ball by not playing him at guard for at least 2 games this season

[MightyGiants]

Speaking of Neal what on earth are we doing with him


Since he came back... he's had games where he looked TERRIBLE.. .. then some where he looked like "I mean if he plays this way"

I think we dropped the ball by not playing him at guard for at least 2 games this season

It would make the most sense to move him to guard; his pass blocking at OT is simply not good enough.   That means the Giants need a high-end swing tackle and at least one developmental tackle, but it doesn't make sense to trot Neal out another season as a tackle.