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Will Johnson, Abdul Carter, Mason Graham

Started by Brooklyn Dave, January 09, 2025, 10:17:21 PM

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Brooklyn Dave

If all three were available at number 3 who would your choice be . Rank  them in order of your prefetrence.

Thank You 

Ed Vette

"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

DaveBrown74

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 09, 2025, 10:29:40 PMCarter may go number one.

The Titans would be mocked ruthlessly all summer and thereafter if they took Carter over Travis Hunter.

Stringer Bell


Ed Vette

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 09, 2025, 10:35:27 PMThe Titans would be mocked ruthlessly all summer and thereafter if they took Carter over Travis Hunter.
Actually they really need the QB but I think they trade out.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Philosophers

I cant rank them but keep one thing in mind.  Ohio State has destroyed its CFP opponents because they were very successful running up the middle to leave short 3rd downs which allowed their passing to be so successful.  Against Michigan they had no ability to run up the middle which gave them long 3rd and longs and made their offense one dimensional.  That's largely due to Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant.  Graham had five solo tackles and two assisted tackles.  How many DTs today get 7 tackles in a game?

Jclayton92

Carter I think Carter is a better pure pass rusher than Parsons coming out of college.

Johnson- I like Johnson but think you could get a small step below him in the top of the 2nd with Amos or the East Carolina kid.

Graham- I'm not as high on him as some, if I'm drafting interior dline in the top 5 he better be Lawrence, or Donald and I don't think he is that. I also think you could find his equivalent or right below that at the top of the 2nd.

Ed Vette

I like the versatility of Carter. Two years off ball. He could be used so many ways.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Philosophers

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 09, 2025, 11:09:29 PMI like the versatility of Carter. Two years off ball. He could be used so many ways.

I am not on board yet with the Carter comparisons to Micah Parsons.  The latter plays with an uncontrollable rage and at 100% to the whistle.  I have not seen that with Carter.  There is no doubting Carter's physicals but I am not convinced he plays nearly as hard as Parsons.  Both have great instincts on plays and where to be.  One difference I see is Parsons wants to be on every hit of an opposing player.  I have seen multiple instances of Carter giving chase then if he sees a teammate in position to make a play he seems to let up and slowndown.  All I keep thinking of with him is Chase Young type player and not a Bosa type player.  I could be wrong and frankly hope I am.

Jclayton92

Quote from: Philosophers on January 10, 2025, 06:41:00 AMI am not on board yet with the Carter comparisons to Micah Parsons.  The latter plays with an uncontrollable rage and at 100% to the whistle.  I have not seen that with Carter.  There is no doubting Carter's physicals but I am not convinced he plays nearly as hard as Parsons.  Both have great instincts on plays and where to be.  One difference I see is Parsons wants to be on every hit of an opposing player.  I have seen multiple instances of Carter giving chase then if he sees a teammate in position to make a play he seems to let up and slowndown.  All I keep thinking of with him is Chase Young type player and not a Bosa type player.  I could be wrong and frankly hope I am.
I don't think he's all around at Parsons level yet, I was just saying from a pure pass rushing standpoint that he has a better pass rush skill set than Parsons did coming out of college.

uconnjack8

I don't like the comparison of Carter to Parsons because Parsons took the NFL by storm.  That's not something anyone should expect of any prospect IMO.


Philosophers

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 10, 2025, 07:22:35 AMI don't think he's all around at Parsons level yet, I was just saying from a pure pass rushing standpoint that he has a better pass rush skill set than Parsons did coming out of college.

I see Carter in college now more like Thibs than Parsons in terms of using speed and quickness instead of strength, leverage and tenacity.  Carter seems to only want to go around blockers.  Parsons being smaller wants to go through them and also around them.  Parsons has a very aggressive mindset.  I have not seen that in Carter.  Again more like Chase Young.

babywhales

Quote from: Philosophers on January 10, 2025, 08:08:17 AMI see Carter in college now more like Thibs than Parsons in terms of using speed and quickness instead of strength, leverage and tenacity.  Carter seems to only want to go around blockers.  Parsons being smaller wants to go through them and also around them.  Parsons has a very aggressive mindset.  I have not seen that in Carter.  Again more like Chase Young.
Parsons was a wrestler and that comes with a different mindset, guys simply tougher than the rest.
"The biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has been accomplished."– G.B.S

uconnjack8

Neither Thibs nor Chase Young have the bend to rush the passer like Carter.  Further both seemed to take some plays off in college, Carter plays every down with tenacity. 

Philosophers

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 10, 2025, 08:24:08 AMNeither Thibs nor Chase Young have the bend to rush the passer like Carter.  Further both seemed to take some plays off in college, Carter plays every down with tenacity. 

I agree with you that Carter has elite bend.  Great to watch.  I don't see the tenacity you see.  I see a motoring down on plays.