Will Johnson, Abdul Carter, Mason Graham

[Philosophers]

My gut tells me that Johnson, Carter, Graham and Hunter are very unlikely to experience anything detrimental between now and the Draft to fall.  The worst thing that may happen is that maybe Hunter runs a 4.5x 40.  None of these guys are immature prospects.  Character wise, I think they are all mature, hungry, coachable young men.  The only way someone (non-QB) jettisons above them is if they are already a top 10 prospect who does some out of this world physical test, but I even doubt that happens.

[killarich]

I want a CB

But if we were to sign one via Free Agency I think adding Graham would make this defense crazy good and well balanced

[Bob In PA]

I've watched more tape and change my thoughts on player rankings.

Johnson
Carter
Hunter



Graham

J: What put you "off" about Graham? Bob

[madbadger]

The Titans would be mocked ruthlessly all summer and thereafter if they took Carter over Travis Hunter.

Just like Texan fans were mercilessly mocked when they took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush? Much like Williams over Bush was the right call, Carter is is the right pick over Hunter.

[DaveBrown74]

Just like Texan fans were mercilessly mocked when they took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush? Much like Williams over Bush was the right call, Carter is is the right pick over Hunter.

Perhaps he is, perhaps he isn't. You are making it seem like you know this for absolute certain.

[Jclayton92]

J: What put you "off" about Graham? Bob

It's the value for me Bob, if the guy isn't the next Aaron Donald then the value just isn't there. A top 5 pick needs  to be at a premium position so we hopefully get elite play at a discount.

[Bob In PA]

It's the value for me Bob, if the guy isn't the next Aaron Donald then the value just isn't there. A top 5 pick needs  to be at a premium position so we hopefully get elite play at a discount.

J: Can't say I disagree.

As I said in other topics, it's also a boring pick, given the other prospects who are available.

Which is why I believe he will be high on the Giants' list. lol

Bob

[Philosophers]

J: Can't say I disagree.

As I said in other topics, it's also a boring pick, given the other prospects who are available.

Which is why I believe he will be high on the Giants' list. lol

Bob

I dont see DT as not a premium position.  If we draft someone who changes our rush D to where we are holding offenses to under 4.0 ypc and are generating interior pass pressure, then we just tipped the balance in favor of the D.

[Bob In PA]

I dont see DT as not a premium position.  If we draft someone who changes our rush D to where we are holding offenses to under 4.0 ypc and are generating interior pass pressure, then we just tipped the balance in favor of the D.

Phil: That's my line of thinking, too. We somehow stunk defending against the run despite Dexter Lawrence and IMO a solid job by Thibodeaux. Putting Mason Graham into the DL along with those two guys would, again IMO, do more for the team than adding Abdul Carter, although I won't be unhappy if we take either one. Bob

[Jclayton92]

Phil: That's my line of thinking, too. We somehow stunk defending against the run despite Dexter Lawrence and IMO a solid job by Thibodeaux. Putting Mason Graham into the DL along with those two guys would, again IMO, do more for the team than adding Abdul Carter, although I won't be unhappy if we take either one. Bob

a run stuffing DT is cheap though, if we were to trade for good one it'd likely cost us a 5th rd pick, not number 3 overall where the value conversation comes back in.

[Bob In PA]

a run stuffing DT is cheap though, if we were to trade for good one it'd likely cost us a 5th rd pick, not number 3 overall where the value conversation comes back in.

J: The difference between you and me regarding Graham is that I don't see him as just a run-stopper, although he is very good at that. I see him more like Hutchinson of the Lions, and I think (but am not certain) he can be that good. BOb

[Jclayton92]

J: The difference between you and me regarding Graham is that I don't see him as just a run-stopper, although he is very good at that. I see him more like Hutchinson of the Lions, and I think (but am not certain) he can be that good. BOb

I can see that but from a stats perspective he averaged 30 tackles, 6 tfls, and 3 sacks per season at Michigan and that production, no matter what we think he can become doesn't justify #3 overall if the likes of Carter, Hunter, and Johnson are sitting there imo.

[Doc16LT56]

J: The difference between you and me regarding Graham is that I don't see him as just a run-stopper, although he is very good at that. I see him more like Hutchinson of the Lions, and I think (but am not certain) he can be that good. BOb

Yes, and pairing him with Dex would create enormous challenges for opposing offenses.

[Philosophers]

I can see that but from a stats perspective he averaged 30 tackles, 6 tfls, and 3 sacks per season at Michigan and that production, no matter what we think he can become doesn't justify #3 overall if the likes of Carter, Hunter, and Johnson are sitting there imo.

You cant just look at stats.  If he commands a double team or frees up Okereke, he won.

We had guys on the cheap at DT and it didnt work.

[Bob In PA]

We had guys on the cheap at DT and it didnt work.

... or, famously, we traded them to other teams (usually the Vikings) or outright released them for no compensation. I seem to remember one guy even would up with the Eagles, although I think whoever he was is long gone. Bob