Shedeur Sanders

[Bob In PA]

You make a great point, Bob. I was thinking about the comparison of the smoothness and no wasted motion of the two QBs. However Daniels will make dynamic plays, while Sanders is not much of a risk taker. Both worked with great Receiving Talent but I always recall those deep Lamonica type bombs to Nabors and Thomas from Daniels. Which we never saw much of this season btw in NY.

Ed: Well, risk-taking is a learned asset, so maybe it will take him a while. In any event, it would be a real stunner if that kid makes as big a "splash" in his rookie season as Daniels made this year. Bob

[Gman329]

I would take Sanders in a heartbeat at 3 and I believe the Giants would, too. I like the way he slides subtly around the pocket, avoiding the rush, while keeping his eyes upfield and from what I've seen, he's very accurate. 

[Bob In PA]

I would take Sanders in a heartbeat at 3 and I believe the Giants would, too. I like the way he slides subtly around the pocket, avoiding the rush, while keeping his eyes upfield and from what I've seen, he's very accurate. 

329: You're right. He has most of the advanced skills. My point is IMO he lacks one of the few things you can't teach... that "x" factor that players like Mahomes and Daniels have... however you define it.

I'm not saying he'll never have it, but I just never saw it, and I saw almost all of Colorado's games.

One new thing to add... none of us are considering that he might prove to be an entirely different (i.e., BETTER) player once he gets away from his dad. Think how much extra pressure could be on him just because he's playing for his dad. I've noted he appears a bit robotic, and that might disappear after he's no longer under the ultimate microscope!

bOB

[T200]

329: You're right. He has most of the advanced skills. My point is IMO he lacks one of the few things you can't teach... that "x" factor that players like Mahomes and Daniels have... however you define it.

I'm not saying he'll never have it, but I just never saw it, and I saw almost all of Colorado's games.

One new thing to add... none of us are considering that he might prove to be an entirely different (i.e., BETTER) player once he gets away from his dad. Think how much extra pressure could be on him just because he's playing for his dad. I've noted he appears a bit robotic, and that might disappear after he's no longer under the ultimate microscope!

bOB

I don't get the takes that his dad is having a negative effect on him.

[Bob In PA]

I don't get the takes that his dad is having a negative effect on him.

Tim: My wife was my daughter's tennis instructor (as a child) as well as her head coach (high school years).

My daughter, so far as she will admit, was one of those people who felt no pressure caused by having to play for her mom (she played number one all four years of high school). Likewise, she apparently felt no pressure to perform well, to show leadership, or to otherwise set an example for the rest of the team.

Not every person can do that, and "sports parents" bully their kids along, and the kid has that extra burden to bear. I have no idea whether it applies to Sanders, but it's not impossible. He could benefit from getting away from his dad (the coach, not the parent) if you see what I mean.

Bob

[coggs]

I have no patience for fans rooting against their own team before the season even begins.

I am not rooting against them.  If they can make the play-offs I am all for it.  What I DON'T want is for them to go desperation mode, sign guys to deals that have low cap hits in 2025 with huge hits in 2026, 2027, 2028  just to make the playoffs this year and to hell with the following years.

[T200]

Tim: My wife was my daughter's tennis instructor (as a child) as well as her head coach (high school years).

My daughter, so far as she will admit, was one of those people who felt no pressure caused by having to play for her mom (she played number one all four years of high school. Likewise, she apparently felt no pressure to perform well, to show leadership, or to otherwise set an example for the rest of the team.

Not every person can do that.

Some parents bully their kids along, and the kid has that extra burden to bear. I have no idea whether it applies to Sanders, but it's not impossible. He could benefit from getting away from his dad (the coach, not the parent) if you see what I mean.

Bob

I get your valid point and example of your wife and daughter.

My point is that there's no evidence that Deion's influence on Shedeur or Travis or any of his other players is negative. I think people are projecting and possibly seeing a young, flamboyant Deion in his 20s and 30s. His perspective is so much different and he can impart that experience and growth to his son and the rest of his players.

[kartanoman]

I get your valid point and example of your wife and daughter.

My point is that there's no evidence that Deion's influence on Shedeur or Travis or any of his other players is negative. I think people are projecting and possibly seeing a young, flamboyant Deion in his 20s and 30s. His perspective is so much different and he can impart that experience and growth to his son and the rest of his players.

I agree with this and have followed Deion Sanders for well over 30 years (NOTE: he was in Atlanta playing two professional sports simultaneously when I was in the Army and stationed in Augusta, GA). He was an absolute incredible talent who played with an intense passion regardless of the sport. The Giants were blessed to have a Lawrence Taylor's "LT" intensity; Deion's intensity was comparable, and I'll leave it at that.

People like or hate the guy because of his flamboyant personality, dress and bug mouth. Truth is that it's all a show; i.e. pure entertainment. Those who could separate the "Neon" from Deion could see the hard worker, the kid who wanted to do good on his parents, grandparents and those who helped him get to the big leagues.

There is no question his "act" got out of control and so, too, did his personal life. He recommitted himself through religion, family and service to others to get back on level footing again and, in the last decade or so, has focused his life on his kids and philanthropy in general.

Honestly, I would be honored to meet the man and tell him that I hated on him as a Giant fan; however, I respect the hell out of him for what he's done for so many with his life that I'm a fan of Deion, the man. If he's been coaching his kids as he's lived his life the last decade and change, not saying they'll be perfect, but they'll be good people as well.

Flamboyant, perhaps. But good people.

Peace!

[Jclayton92]

You make a great point, Bob. I was thinking about the comparison of the smoothness and no wasted motion of the two QBs. However Daniels will make dynamic plays, while Sanders is not much of a risk taker. Both worked with great Receiving Talent but I always recall those deep Lamonica type bombs to Nabors and Thomas from Daniels. Which we never saw much of this season btw in NY.

I don't think Sanders could lace Daniels boots if I'm being honest. I could be way off but I am not a fan. He's more Jordan Love than daniels to me.

[DaveBrown74]

I don't get the takes that his dad is having a negative effect on him.

I don't either. People don't have to like Deion personally if he's not their cup of tea, but that guy has been nothing but a winner when it comes to the sport of football.

Shedeur may not be a particularly inspiring QB prospect (I have this opinion myself), but I don't get why people think Deion is somehow hampering him.

If people have an issue with players on whom Deion has had an influence, then those folks should remove Travis Hunter from their boards too. Are they prepared to do that?

[brownelvis54]

Sanders is more NFL ready than Ward, but Ward has better physical gifts and overall potential I think.

I like them both and would be ok with either.

I would prefer Ward, but if Sanders is the pick, then so be it

[Brooklyn Dave]

I don't think Sanders could lace Daniels boots if I'm being honest. I could be way off but I am not a fan. He's more Jordan Love than daniels to me.

Were any one of us fans of Lamar Jackson in 2018? He wound up as the 32nd pick

[T200]

Were any one of us fans of Lamar Jackson in 2018? He wound up as the 32nd pick

@Bob In PA was.

[Ed Vette]

Were any one of us fans of Lamar Jackson in 2018? He wound up as the 32nd pick

@Bob In PA

[Brooklyn Dave]

Bob in PA wherever you are , which QB are you touting for the 2025 draft ?