Shedeur Sanders

[Soundwave401]

SoundW: Are you sure about the number of carries for Ward? Looks like a typo. Bob

That is what ESPN has posted for his rushing stats
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/4688380/cam-ward

[T200]

Tim: I honestly believe Daboll will argue strenuously against any QB he does not see as one he wants to work with (which IMO - just guessing - will eliminate Sanders from contention as a possible 1st-round pick).

Almost all NFL coaches are immune to fear about getting fired.

I don't think Schoen has ever been fired from a football-related job and worry about him more than Daboll. Suppose the scouts tell him a guy is great and Daboll disagrees?  That is my nightmare scenario within a nightmare scenario.

Bob

I agree, Bob. I don't think he'll take Sanders if he doesn't have an eye for him. Or any QB.

[LennG]

Where the old school thought of 'you can't win this a running QB', has changed dramatically, in that in today's game you can't win without a mobile/running QB. As desperate we are for a QB and we ARE desperate, I would also pass on Sanders. Today's game requires a QB who can move and run. I think that's the only reason why Jones's lasted so long, his running ability. Draft the best prospect in rd 2 and sign a veteran.

[kingm56]

I agree, Bob. I don't think he'll take Sanders if he doesn't have an eye for him. Or any QB.

I feel the same, Tim. The notion he'll reach for a QB, which is perpetuated by some posters here, would be out-of-character.  The roster is good enough to show improvement in '25 with the right FA QB. 

[Stringer Bell]

Does anyone have a decent explanation of this?  Ward isn't much of a runner either but amassed 469 yards on 400 carries. I know Sanders was sacked alot (152 sacks in 1800 dropbacks) compared to Wards college career (156 sacks in 2329 dropbacks) but how do you average .1 YPC?

In college, sacks count against your rushing totals. So if you had 5 actual runs for 20 yards but were sacked 5 times for -20 yards, your rushing total for that game would be 0 yards.

[katkavage]

I get that the fans feel some sense of desperation but does that mean Schoen and Daboll are?

And if somehow they convey they are, does that mean they will make moves solely based on that desperation?

And further still, does that mean the decisions they make won't work out?

I hope they aren't desperate. My best scenario is they pass on QBs, wing it with one of these mediocre bridge QBs, suck again next year, which is very likely, then both Schoen and Daboll get fired and the new GM and HC pick their QB--the way it should be done. Not the way the Giants usually do things, ass backwards.

[kingm56]

Where the old school thought of 'you can't win this a running QB', has changed dramatically, in that in today's game you can't win without a mobile/running QB. As desperate we are for a QB and we ARE desperate, I would also pass on Sanders. Today's game requires a QB who can move and run. I think that's the only reason why Jones's lasted so long, his running ability. Draft the best prospect in rd 2 and sign a veteran.

The NFCs #1 seed doesn't have a mobile QB, nor does the #3, #4 or #5 seeds. More than half the NFC playoff teams are led by gun slingers, as opposed to mobile QBs. I prefer a mobile QB akin to Jayden Daniels; however, the evidence suggest it's not necessary, if you have a 4000+ yard/30+ YD QB.

[T200]

I hope they aren't desperate. My best scenario is they pass on QBs, wing it with one of these mediocre bridge QBs, suck again next year, which is very likely, then both Schoen and Daboll get fired and the new GM and HC pick their QB--the way it should be done. Not the way the Giants usually do things, ass backwards.

In that scenario, if they show improvement (6-10 wins) with a mediocre bridge QB throwing to Nabers and Company, it's going to be hard to justify canning them both.

[katkavage]

I feel the same, Tim. The notion he'll reach for a QB, which is perpetuated by some posters here, would be out-of-character.  The roster is good enough to show improvement in '25 with the right FA QB.

Who possibly could be the right FA QB to get the team to win more than 6 games with the schedule they have? The best hope for the Giants next year is that some of the teams that did well this year regress like Washington, Minnesota, Denver, and a few others. Otherwise it's a killer schedule as of today.

[katkavage]

In that scenario, if they show improvement (6-10 wins) with a mediocre bridge QB throwing to Nabers and Company, it's going to be hard to justify canning them both.

On paper as of today with, let's say, Justin Fields or Jimmy Garapolo, where are the six to ten wins? Of course anything can happen during the off season and some of the much better teams they play next year could have big QB injuries, but how many wins will they get in their division next year? And then the games against the NFC North and AFC West? Raiders. Saints, Bears, Patriots. Right now those are their only winnable games.

[zbeaster]

If we draft Sanders, then Josh Conerly, OLT from Oregon, is my preferred round 2 draft pick.  I saw him against Ohio State in the CFP and he neutralized Ohio State's entire right side Edge/DT.  He looked fabulous.  Moves so well and uses his arms and hands almost perfectly.

Read this writeup of Josh Conerly.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/10/14/josh-conerly-jr-scouting-report-nfl-draft

Conerly would be a great pick in the 2nd if he is available.

[T200]

On paper as of today with, let's say, Justin Fields or Jimmy Garapolo, where are the six to ten wins? Of course anything can happen during the off season and some of the much better teams they play next year could have big QB injuries, but how many wins will they get in their division next year? And then the games against the NFC North and AFC West? Raiders. Saints, Bears, Patriots. Right now those are their only winnable games.

If I had that gift, I sure as hell wouldn't waste it on football! 

Every season is different. A bounce here and there can quickly change a loss to a win and vice versa.

Not a single person can accurately predict any team's schedule. I'm not quite sure the reason for the question.

[kingm56]

Who possibly could be the right FA QB to get the team to win more than 6 games with the schedule they have? The best hope for the Giants next year is that some of the teams that did well this year regress like Washington, Minnesota, Denver, and a few others. Otherwise it's a killer schedule as of today.

Im not concerned with next years strength of schedule.  A lot could happen between now and then.  How many teams looked at Wash and Minn last year and marked it as a W? Several fans on this site did.  How many thought Dal, Mia, Saints, Colts, Jac, etc were going to be a tough games?  At this point, SoS means nothing...

[katkavage]

If I had that gift, I sure as hell wouldn't waste it on football! 

Every season is different. A bounce here and there can quickly change a loss to a win and vice versa.

Not a single person can accurately predict any team's schedule. I'm not quite sure the reason for the question.

No, you are correct. I'm just going with the odds. You are hoping for a revival. That's great. It could happen. But I wouldn't bet on it. As far as coaches go, we've seen enough of Daboll to see his many flaws as "head coach." You'll go back to 2022 when they did over achieve due to many factors including a weak schedule and a few very close wins. The worst thing that happened to the future of Giants was 2022. It masked their many deficiencies especially at QB. And now it's given the regime one extra year when by most calculations they should be gone. I have no crystal ball, but there is just no evidence that this team, based on their personnel, coaching and schedule, can be very successful next year.

[MrGap92]

I feel the same, Tim. The notion he'll reach for a QB, which is perpetuated by some posters here, would be out-of-character.  The roster is good enough to show improvement in '25 with the right FA QB.

I also agree, significant improvement is enough in 2025, they will do what they can, if its a QB at 3 great, if not, then OK. They can still field a much better team in 2025 without a QB at 3 if they dont like who is there.