Envious

[Brooklyn Dave]

I am getting envious of the new hires , GM and Coach and new assistants by teams and the excitement that it generates, ( see , read and listen to the Bears fans and sports writers ) and we Giant fans are stuck with the same inefficient  GM who instituded one of the stupidest transaction in Giant history, and a coach who calls offensive plays the same way Elmer Fudd would call them , is stubborn and has a difficult relationship with some of his assistants .

Are you aware that we interviwed Alex Peters , the new GM of the Commanders and we chose the un qualified Joe Schoen.

Is there any feeling of excitement in Giant fans ; maybe only that pitchers and catchers are reporting to Spring Training in a few weeks ?

[MightyGiants]

I am getting envious of the new hires , GM and Coach and new assistants by teams and the excitement that it generates, ( see , read and listen to the Bears fans and sports writers ) and we Giant fans are stuck with the same inefficient  GM who instituded one of the stupidest transaction in Giant history, and a coach who calls offensive plays the same way Elmer Fudd would call them , is stubborn and has a difficult relationship with some of his assistants .

Are you aware that we interviwed Alex Peters , the new GM of the Commanders and we chose the un qualified Joe Schoen.

Is there any feeling of excitement in Giant fans ; maybe only that pitchers and catchers are reporting to Spring Training in a few weeks ?

While I disagreed with standing pat, I am mindful that past history shows a significant majority of hires every cycle don't pan out.  Much like QBs, there are only a handful of coaches who prove to be special.

[MrGap92]

I am getting envious of the new hires , GM and Coach and new assistants by teams and the excitement that it generates, ( see , read and listen to the Bears fans and sports writers ) and we Giant fans are stuck with the same inefficient  GM who instituded one of the stupidest transaction in Giant history, and a coach who calls offensive plays the same way Elmer Fudd would call them , is stubborn and has a difficult relationship with some of his assistants .

Are you aware that we interviwed Alex Peters , the new GM of the Commanders and we chose the un qualified Joe Schoen.

Is there any feeling of excitement in Giant fans ; maybe only that pitchers and catchers are reporting to Spring Training in a few weeks ?

Call him stubborn, fine, prefer someone else beside him call the plays fine. But his play calls are not bad, again, he is not on the field throwing the ball. I have never seen anyone get so much hate for scheming WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS on such a frequent, consistent basis, when its the QBs fault for being blind.

The play calls did what they were supposed to do, minus the QB getting the ball to them. Everything else around that did its job more often than not.

Blame Schoen and co for the contract if you must, but to call the play calls themselves "elmer fudd" is just ludicrous.

[Jclayton92]

I am getting envious of the new hires , GM and Coach and new assistants by teams and the excitement that it generates, ( see , read and listen to the Bears fans and sports writers ) and we Giant fans are stuck with the same inefficient  GM who instituded one of the stupidest transaction in Giant history, and a coach who calls offensive plays the same way Elmer Fudd would call them , is stubborn and has a difficult relationship with some of his assistants .

Are you aware that we interviwed Alex Peters , the new GM of the Commanders and we chose the un qualified Joe Schoen.

Is there any feeling of excitement in Giant fans ; maybe only that pitchers and catchers are reporting to Spring Training in a few weeks ?

You do realize that Daboll can't run complex plays with a pedestrian Qb right? There's only so much you can do with a meh qb, Daboll had no issue running plays for Hurts, Tua, and Josh Allen that were all successful. So maybe it's not the play caller and instead the Qb...


Also what has Schoen done that was so horrible as GM that other GMs wouldn't have done? Maybe not trading Mckinney or Barkley but they had hoped to retain them both.

[katkavage]

You do realize that Daboll can't run complex plays with a pedestrian Qb right? There's only so much you can do with a meh qb, Daboll had no issue running plays for Hurts, Tua, and Josh Allen that were all successful. So maybe it's not the play caller and instead the Qb...


Also what has Schoen done that was so horrible as GM that other GMs wouldn't have done? Maybe not trading Mckinney or Barkley but they had hoped to retain them both.

Your record defines you. Enough excuses. In Daboll's case, it's not just the QB. He is the HEAD coach. His team was sloppy in every way. Unprepared. That's on him.

[Brooklyn Dave]

Call him stubborn, fine, prefer someone else beside him call the plays fine. But his play calls are not bad, again, he is not on the field throwing the ball. I have never seen anyone get so much hate for scheming WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS on such a frequent, consistent basis, when its the QBs fault for being blind.

The play calls did what they were supposed to do, minus the QB getting the ball to them. Everything else around that did its job more often than not.

Blame Schoen and co for the contract if you must, but to call the play calls themselves "elmer fudd" is just ludicrous.

I understand what you are saying , but going into a game with your kicker having a groin issue and not having another kicker on the squad shows how unqualified he is . Do you agree that there were games that the team was just not prepared and that falls on Daboll?

Do you feel excited for next year ?

[MrGap92]

I understand what you are saying , but going into a game with your kicker having a groin issue and not having another kicker on the squad shows how unqualified he is . Do you agree that there were games that the team was just not prepared and that falls on Daboll?

Do you feel excited for next year ?

This has nothing to do with playcalling

[Jclayton92]

Your record defines you. Enough excuses. In Daboll's case, it's not just the QB. He is the HEAD coach. His team was sloppy in every way. Unprepared. That's on him.

Bill Belichick had an absolutely horrible record with very pedestrian qb play, why inheriting a horrible team from. 91-95. He had an exceptional season out of the 5 seasons he was there, so is he a horrible coach? We lost by one possession more than any other team this season and that was with Jones, backups, and injuries everywhere. With good to even great Qb play, less injuries, and another good FA/Draft class is it out of the realm of possibility that we could be a really competitive team?

[Painter]

You know why on average 6 or 8 teams change Coaches and/or Management and Staff each year? It ain't because of some sort of voluntary retirement plan. And I am sure as hell not envious of their fans. But neither am I a closed-minded hater overburdened by personal bias.

Was I glad to see them move from the Mara-meddling which produced the likes of McAdoo, Gettleman and Joe Judge. Take a guess. However, where Schoen and/or Daboll are concerned I see their situation quite differently.

We do know- we certainly should in any case- that chance i.e. luck, good or bad, can weigh heavily on outcomes and put a mask on reality as was the case in 2022, Schoen/Daboll's first, when Daniel Jones and the "Tooth Fairy" managed to sandwich a 10-7-1 QBRec between a 12-25 first three and 3-13 final two.

Indeed, instead of sandwiched, I could have said sandbagged as a COTY greased the skids and Mara began seeing a longed-for Eli resemblance, there was no way to resist the momentum leading to a nice new fat multiyear for DJ. Blame and fault as you will, we do know how badly that turned out.

Rather than cite the cap mess inherited by Schoen as influencing the loss of guys like McKinney and Love, we have to accept that his first 2 Drafts were disappointing, some would say poor, given the failure of high expectation picks Neal and Ezeudu in 2022 and uncertainty still present with guys like Banks, JMS, and Hyatt. Happily, that was far from so last year with an above average 5 of 6 solid additions.

Still needing a QB in what is viewed as a less than talent-rich QB Draft and an almost certain need to add a capable veteran to bridge the gap, their burden is no less than ever a weighty one. So, how about we hope to find a bit of good luck instead looking to envy.

Cheers

[Brooklyn Dave]

This has nothing to do with playcalling

You are correct it has nothing to do with play calling and maybe I could have been more specific initially in my dislike for Daboll. I think he fits exactly into the Bill Arsbarger, Dave Wannstadt Syndrome- a good if not very good OC but a failure as a HC. I know that you like him , and that is perfectly fine . We just have differing opinions.

I previously posted awhile back that if the Giants moved away from Daboll ho would probably find a job fairly quickly as an OC. Not so with Schoen. He might find a job as an assistant somewhere but as a GM , he has  shot his load. He will always carry the albatross of paying Daniel Jones $40 million , then dropping him and letting Sequon Barkley walk .

[EDjohnst1981]

You know why on average 6 or 8 teams change Coaches and/or Management and Staff each year? It ain't because of some sort of voluntary retirement plan. And I am sure as hell not envious of their fans. But neither am I a closed-minded hater overburdened by personal bias.

Was I glad to see them move from the Mara-meddling which produced the likes of McAdoo, Gettleman and Joe Judge. Take a guess. However, where Schoen and/or Daboll are concerned I see their situation quite differently.

We do know- we certainly should in any case- that chance i.e. luck, good or bad, can weigh heavily on outcomes and put a mask on reality as was the case in 2022, Schoen/Daboll's first, when Daniel Jones and the "Tooth Fairy" managed to sandwich a 10-7-1 QBRec between a 12-25 first three and 3-13 final two.

Indeed, instead of sandwiched, I could have said sandbagged as a COTY greased the skids and Mara began seeing a longed-for Eli resemblance, there was no way to resist the momentum leading to a nice new fat multiyear for DJ. Blame and fault as you will, we do know how badly that turned out.

Rather than cite the cap mess inherited by Schoen as influencing the loss of guys like McKinney and Love, we have to accept that his first 2 Drafts were disappointing, some would say poor, given the failure of high expectation picks Neal and Ezeudu in 2022 and uncertainty still present with guys like Banks, JMS, and Hyatt. Happily, that was far from so last year with an above average 5 of 6 solid additions.

Still needing a QB in what is viewed as a less than talent-rich QB Draft and an almost certain need to add a capable veteran to bridge the gap, their burden is no less than ever a weighty one. So, how about we hope to find a bit of good luck instead looking to envy.

Cheers

Spot on in my opinion, @Painter

[katkavage]

Bill Belichick had an absolutely horrible record with very pedestrian qb play, why inheriting a horrible team from. 91-95. He had an exceptional season out of the 5 seasons he was there, so is he a horrible coach? We lost by one possession more than any other team this season and that was with Jones, backups, and injuries everywhere. With good to even great Qb play, less injuries, and another good FA/Draft class is it out of the realm of possibility that we could be a really competitive team?

I see it all much differently. I guess time will tell. I'm not optimistic.

[MightyGiants]

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[MrGap92]

You are correct it has nothing to do with play calling and maybe I could have been more specific initially in my dislike for Daboll. I think he fits exactly into the Bill Arsbarger, Dave Wannstadt Syndrome- a good if not very good OC but a failure as a HC. I know that you like him , and that is perfectly fine . We just have differing opinions.

I previously posted awhile back that if the Giants moved away from Daboll ho would probably find a job fairly quickly as an OC. Not so with Schoen. He might find a job as an assistant somewhere but as a GM , he has  shot his load. He will always carry the albatross of paying Daniel Jones $40 million , then dropping him and letting Sequon Barkley walk .

I'm perfectly fine woth disagreeing or thinking differently. What I am trying to understand, is how you say he calls plays like Elmer Fudd. Defend it with something completely unrelated, and then say he was a good if not very good OC.

If he calls plays like your original post claims, then he would not be good or very good. Which is it?

[Brooklyn Dave]

I'm perfectly fine woth disagreeing or thinking differently. What I am trying to understand, is how you say he calls plays like Elmer Fudd. Defend it with something completely unrelated, and then say he was a good if not very good OC.

If he calls plays like your original post claims, then he would not be good or very good. Which is it?

He was a good OC with the Bills and that would get him a job. I just do not think that he was an effective play caller for the Giants . When you go 3-14 there is something wrong. We are too far removed from the season for me to give you a specific instance . If you think that Daboll is an excellent and superb play caller I will respect your opinion.

I guess the bottom line is we have to wait until the 2025 season unfolds. He will have his QB whether it is through FA or the draft or both and see how he does. My hope is that he gives up play calling and let's his OC , whomever that may be , call the plays and he should be concentrating on being a HC for the entire team. He will never be an Andy Reid no matter how much he thinks he is now .