Does the Commanders' turnaround really give bad team fans hope?

[sxdxca38]

The point of my post was really what they managed to do in a single offseason. In 2022 the Texans were 3-13-1 with a -131 point differential. The year before that they were 4-13. They were an established terrible team. In 2023, they suddenly went 10-7 with a positive point differential of +24.

I never said anything about juggernaut. I said the team went from being "absolutely awful", which they clearly were, to being a "playoff team", which they clearly were. That is all. The "juggernaut" point was your own insertion into the discussion and had nothing to do with any points I had made. You also chose to ignore their one year ascent and decided to only look at them two years later for whatever reason. Again, that wasn't what I was talking about.

Moving over to the Commanders, they were 4-13 in 2023 with a -189 point differential. That unquestionably qualifies as "absolutely awful." Suddenly, in just one offseason, they became a 12-5 team with a +94 point differential and are playing in the NFC championship game today following back to back heroic performances by their rookie QB. For whatever reason you did not choose to address this example in your answer.

All my point was was that it is possible to go from being terrible to good in one offseason. We have seen it happen in each of the last two seasons. It refutes the narrative we get here sometimes that it takes at least years to go from being a doormat to being a good team. If one wants to argue what the 2024 Commanders and 2023 Texans did is unusual, I'm all for that and would agree. But clearly it's not impossible.

Dave,

My comments to you were not to be taken argumentative at all.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, just noting some statistics regarding the Texans this year, that was all.

They made a jump from being a bad team, to now a playoff team, but still not an elite team, that's all.

I'm not sure why you took offense at what I said, but rest assured that wasn't my intention.

If I did disagree with you, I would make it clear but done so in a tactful way, but once again let me make it clear I have no disagreement with you.

Please carry on 

[Trench]

In the case of the Lions, it was clearly more a case of Dan Campbell and his coaching staff than QB castoff Jared Goff.

I totally disagree. Goff is playing at elite level

[DaveBrown74]

Dave,

My comments to you were not to be taken argumentative at all.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, just noting some statistics regarding the Texans this year, that was all.

They made a jump from being a bad team, to now a playoff team, but still not an elite team, that's all.

I'm not sure why you took offense at what I said, but rest assured that wasn't my intention.

If I did disagree with you, I would make it clear but done so in a tactful way, but once again let me make it clear I have no disagreement with you.

Please carry on 

Who said I took offense? I did not take any, not did I think you were intending to offend me. And I was not trying to offend you. I was simply clarifying my points, because it was not clear to me that my earlier points had been fully understood. You had thrown in these "juggernaut" type points, which had nothing to do with what I was saying. All I was saying was that going from terrible to good in one year is very possible, as we have seen it happen both in 2022 and 2023 alone (and I am positive it has happened on multiple other occasions).

[Woody]

Maybe but very few teams , if any ,
have ever gone through the total transformation that Washington has....
1.  New ownership.   Huge
2. Excellent coach that kind of fell to them after their first choice backed out.
3. Some good young players already on  the roster big running back .
4 A couple of very good .......WR'S Mclaurin and one other I can't remember name.
5. Very good GM that brought in excellent FA's.
6. not the least thing . Probably one of most important...they hit HR with Daniels
7. 30 new players on this years roster from last years...that is a lot, including a very good TE.

Not many teams go through this type of rebuild and be successful.........Daniels made it all come together .
Or does ownership change hands in the league very often..

But there are some that go from worst to first.   It can be done. Houston is one last year


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[Trench]

If we look back to last year on this BBH and many NFL boards, podcasts, and outlets, almost EVERYONE said the Eagles were imploding, coach was to be fired and hell even the Giants with Devito gave them trouble!

Exactly one year later - now look at the Eagles!

[kingm56]

If we look back to last year on this BBH and many NFL boards, podcasts, and outlets, almost EVERYONE said the Eagles were imploding, coach was to be fired and hell even the Giants with Devito gave them trouble!

Exactly one year later - now look at the Eagles!

You're spot on, Trench!  A lot of fans blamed the implosion on "coaching", without acknowledging the multiple injuries.  Only a few of us pushed back...it's about talent. The Eagles improved their talent and remained healthy. Even with the same coach that many deemed a problem last year, they're poised to compete for a SB. Funny how that works...

[MightyGiants]

If we look back to last year on this BBH and many NFL boards, podcasts, and outlets, almost EVERYONE said the Eagles were imploding, coach was to be fired and hell even the Giants with Devito gave them trouble!

Exactly one year later - now look at the Eagles!

Reports are the Eagles almost imploded a couple of times this season.  Barkley's leadership saved the day each time.

[Trench]

Reports are the Eagles almost imploded a couple of times this season.  Barkley's leadership saved the day each time.

I'd say that is fake news. They are arguably the best team in the NFL. That type stuff is usually click bait

[kingm56]

I'd say that is fake news. They are arguably the best team in the NFL. That type stuff is usually click bait

If true, you're essentially saying talent is more important than coaching - I agree.  Regardless, you can't claim that coaching is critical to winning, while simultaneously saying the HC of the 16 - 3, SB bound Eagles is terrible/impediment. Those things do not compute.  The eagles have a plus QB and greatly improved their talent, and now Sirianni looks like a genius again.

[Trench]

If true, you're essentially saying talent is more important than coaching - I agree.  Regardless, you can't claim that coaching is critical to winning, while simultaneously saying the HC of the 16 - 3, SB bound Eagles is terrible/impediment. Those things do not compute.  The eagles have a plus QB and greatly improved their talent, and now Sirianni looks like a genius again.

Where did I say the head coach of the SB bound Eagles is terrible/impediment?....quite the contrary I think he has an excellent "feel" for the game

[kingm56]

Where did I say the head coach of the SB bound Eagles is terrible/impediment?....quite the contrary I think he has an excellent "feel" for the game

Sorry, Trench - not directed at you, my friend. . It was more of general you; specifically, towards the group that believe Coaching is equal to talent and that the Giants can't be successful with their current HC.

[Trench]

Sorry, Trench - not directed at you, my friend. . It was more of general you; specifically, towards the group that believe Coaching is equal to talent and that the Giants can't be successful with their current HC.

No worries whatsoever.

To the larger point, coaching is huge and great coaches can elevate (Parcells everywhere he went proved this)....but without a QB in 2025 NFL, you are toast.

Hurts is very good in big spots. To my knowledge he wasn't a 1st round pick so I have hope for us to get a good one at some point.

[Jclayton92]

Take the time and go look at the commanders depth chart. Where are they now much better than us?

Qb, CB1, DT2, and TE they have a clear advantage but besides that it's a scratch or an advantage to us. Qb play matters.

[MightyGiants]

Sorry, Trench - not directed at you, my friend. . It was more of general you; specifically, towards the group that believe Coaching is equal to talent and that the Giants can't be successful with their current HC.

Matt,

I really don't understand why you believe coaching has so little impact in the NFL.  One need only look at the Chargers to see how much coaching can change a team's fortunes.

[T200]

Matt,

I really don't understand why you believe coaching has so little impact in the NFL.  One need only look at the Chargers to see how much coaching can change a team's fortunes.

I don't recall him ever saying he believes "coaching has so little impact..."

He's always said that talent is more important than coaching. That's been his stance for as long as I've known him.