Giants Roster vs Commanders

[Jclayton92]

Commanders                  Giants
QB Daniels.                     TBD
RB Brian Robinson.       Tyrone Tracey
WR  Mclauren.                Nabers
WR  Dyami Brown.       Wandale Robinson
WR 0. Zacchaues.          Slayton
TE Ertz.                            Theo Johnson
LT B Coleman.                 Thomas
LG Nick Allegretti.           Runyan
C Tyler Biadez.                JMS
RG Sam Cosmi.              Van Roten
RT Andrew Wylie.            Eluemunor
DE Clelin Ferrell.              Nunez Roches
DT Daron Payne.               Lawrence
DT Johnathan Allen.         E Chatman
DE Dorance Armstrong.   B Burns
LB Frankie Luvu.                Thibodeaux
MLB Bobby Wagner.         Okereke
LB Dante Fowler.               McFadden
CB  Ben St Juste.              Jackson
CB Lattimore.                     Banks
SLOT Mike Sainristil.        Phillips
S Jeremy Chinn.                Pinnock
S Quan Martin.                  Nubin


Qb is obviously as we have no one

RB Tracey as a rookie put up better numbers despite starting later in the season

WR Nabers had better stats than Mclauren and our other wrs are better than their guys

TE Ertz is a solid pro but nothing exceptional  with an actual qb I think Theo could produce Ertz 600 yards

OL- our Oline is player for player better, outside Biadez for JMS

Dline Our pass rushers are significantly better while they have 2 great DTs, we have 1 and 2 Edge rushers.

Mike/LB at this point Okereke is a better Mike than Wagner who is up there in age

CB is really the difference as they have a lockdown CB1 but I'd argue we have a better CB2 and SLOT

Safety- I'd say safety is a draw

So from my perspective they have us on CB1 and QB... So if we get a CB1, a QB and some other pieces in FA and the draft like DT, another wr, another safety, 2 olinemen then why can't we compete?

[MightyGiants]

@Jclayton92

You might find these PFF lineups helpful

[andrew_nyGiants]

Yes, I agree!

Travis Hunter in the 1st bolsters our offensive playmakers while giving us a shutdown corner.

FA bridge QB who can actually throw downfield while picking up a developmental QB in the2nd or 3rd round.

We always have the option of loading up for picks and going all out for a franchise QB in 2026.

[EDjohnst1981]

@Jclayton92

You might find these PFF lineups helpful

Goodness me, that O Line is almost as bad as ours.

[MightyGiants]

Goodness me, that O Line is almost as bad as ours.

and that was before the Giants lost AT for the season

[MrGap92]

I agree 100%

The only thing worth mentioning, is Slayton and GVR are likely gone.

But yea, the PFF grades on the OL, not much difference between the two. Though I;d like to see Eleumenors grade as he is technically the starter.

[kingm56]

I agree 100%

The only thing worth mentioning, is Slayton and GVR are likely gone.

But yea, the PFF grades on the OL, not much difference between the two. Though I;d like to see Eleumenors grade as he is technically the starter.

Indeed, this situation highlights a point many of us have discussed at length over the past few years: a quarterback can showcase his skills regardless of offensive line play, and an elite quarterback can elevate an otherwise average line. This season, we've seen several observers praise Bobby Johnson, despite the fact he continues to field below-average offensive lines. Yet he's now viewed in a more favorable light, largely due to the influence of the starting quarterback.

This dynamic underscores why finding the right quarterback is paramount. The Giants have promising young talent across the offense (except the line), but that won't translate into consistent success until they secure a top-tier signal caller—something they haven't had in over five years. Get the QB right, and we're back to playing competitive football...

[todge]

I think we're falling into the trap of using stats only to measure players. The second trap is believing this team is just a QB away from being in the playoffs like Washington.

I watched many Washington games this year. I don't care what PFF says - the Commanders' offensive line was better than the Giants. Then there's the coaching ...

The ball bounced right for Washington this year. The Giants were a kicker away and a Naber's drop from beating them in week 2. Then the miraculous Hail Mary for another W. There were also several other turnovers that went their way leading to wins. It's a thin line in this league between winning and losing.


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[kingm56]

I think we're falling into the trap of using stats only to measure players. The second trap is believing this team is just a QB away from being in the playoffs like Washington.

I watched many Washington games this year. I don't care what PFF says - the Commanders' offensive line was better than the Giants. Then there's the coaching ...

The ball bounced right for Washington this year. The Giants were a kicker away and a Naber's drop from beating them in week 2. Then the miraculous Hail Mary for another W. There were also several other turnovers that went their way leading to wins. It's a thin line in this league between winning and losing.


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It's fascinating that you didn't use this same reasoning when discussing the 2022 NY Giants. Instead, you attributed that team's success—far less than Wash 2024 campaign—to DJ's "command of the offense" and superior play. Why the inconsistency? Also, the notion that two coaches, each fired from their previous teams for poor performances, were the catalyst for the change is even more perplexing.

The rationale for Washington—and a myriad of teams before them—experiencing a rapid ascension is easy to decipher for those of us not burden by outdated axioms. While other factors played a role, the single biggest reason for their success is Daniels.  Although unlikely, the same paradigm could happen to our Giants...

[MightyGiants]

It's fascinating that you didn't use this same reasoning when discussing the 2022 NY Giants. Instead, you attributed that team's success—far less than Wash 2024 campaign—to DJ's "command of the offense" and superior play. Why the inconsistency? Also, the notion that two coaches, each fired from their previous teams for poor performances, were the catalyst for the change is even more perplexing.

The rationale for Washington—and a myriad of teams before them—experiencing a rapid ascension is easy to decipher for those of us not burden by outdated axioms. While other factors played a role, the single biggest reason for their success is Daniels.  Although unlikely, the same paradigm could happen to our Giants...

I can't imagine a new owner, a new GM, a new coaching staff led by a HC that took a team to the Super Bowl, 3 2nd round picks 2 3rd round picks (besides the 2nd over pick used to draft  Daniels) and over $62 million in salary cap space had nothing to do with the Commanders turn around.     


Then again, you say the rest of us are burdened by critical thinking skills, that have us believing that football is a team sport and more than just a quarterback

[Jclayton92]

It's fascinating that you didn't use this same reasoning when discussing the 2022 NY Giants. Instead, you attributed that team's success—far less than Wash 2024 campaign—to DJ's "command of the offense" and superior play. Why the inconsistency? Also, the notion that two coaches, each fired from their previous teams for poor performances, were the catalyst for the change is even more perplexing.

The rationale for Washington—and a myriad of teams before them—experiencing a rapid ascension is easy to decipher for those of us not burden by outdated axioms. While other factors played a role, the single biggest reason for their success is Daniels.  Although unlikely, the same paradigm could happen to our Giants...

Funny thing is I didn't even look at stats outside just knowing the Stats of a few key skill guys off the top of my head. Just doing the eye test with the commanders, Texans, Bengals, Rams, you can see the qb play is the main factor in the success of a team jumping in the W/L column.

Another huge misconception is that all these other NFL teams are loaded when they aren't. The Lions, Eagles, Chiefs, and Bills have loaded teams because people go there knowing they have a chance to win a super bowl. Most teams have around the talent that we have +/- with the Qb being a huge piece of that puzzle.

[Jclayton92]

I can't imagine a new owner, a new GM, a new coaching staff led by a HC that took a team to the Super Bowl, 3 2nd round picks 2 3rd round picks (besides the 2nd over pick used to draft  Daniels) and over $62 million in salary cap space had nothing to do with the Commanders turn around.     


Then again, you say the rest of us are burdened by critical thinking skills, that have us believing that football is a team sport and more than just a quarterback

We've had a ton of draft picks and capital as well, we also have a better offensive coach to theirs. The big difference is the qb Rich, it's why they were picking ahead of us last year. Outside their slot corner none of the draft picks made any impact of note.

[MightyGiants]

We've had a ton of draft picks and capital as well, we also have a better offensive coach to theirs. The big difference is the qb Rich, it's why they were picking ahead of us last year.

Jess,


QB matters it matters a lot.  It is just not correct to dismiss the rest of the equation.  Matt's claim falls apart when we look at the massive upgrade the Pats made me at QB and the fact that they are drafting right after the Giants.  You can also look at the Chargers and the need to upgrade at coaching before they became a contender despite Herbert.   

[kingm56]

Funny thing is I didn't even look at stats outside just knowing the Stats of a few key skill guys off the top of my head. Just doing the eye test with the commanders, Texans, Bengals, Rams, you can see the qb play is the main factor in the success of a team jumping in the W/L column.

Another huge misconception is that all these other NFL teams are loaded when they aren't. The Lions, Eagles, Chiefs, and Bills have loaded teams because people go there knowing they have a chance to win a super bowl. Most teams have around the talent that we have +/- with the Qb being a huge piece of that puzzle.

You're right, Jess—nobody mentioned stats. It's fascinating to see how fans switch up the metrics they value to support their preferred narratives. Here, a quarterback and team found success despite a poor offensive line—something we were told was unlikely. Now, to explain Washington's performance, previously emphasized metrics like PFF are being discarded in favor of anecdotal evidence.  It's certainly entertaining.

Also, I love how the Chargers example keeps surfacing as proof that coaching can turn a team around. If that were really the case, why did the 2022 Chargers—led by a coach widely regarded as poor—end up with nearly identical results to the 2024 Chargers? From an objective standpoint, the Chargers example falls apart under scrutiny.

[MightyGiants]

You're right, Jess—nobody mentioned stats. It's fascinating to see how fans switch up the metrics they value to support their preferred narratives. Here, a quarterback and team found success despite a poor offensive line—something we were told was unlikely. Now, to explain Washington's performance, previously emphasized metrics like PFF are being discarded in favor of anecdotal evidence.  It's certainly entertaining.

Also, I love how the Chargers example keeps emerging as an example of how coaching can turn a team around.  If true, why did the 2022 Chargers, with a widely renowned terrible coach, produce nearly identical results to the 2024 Chargers?  The Chargers example implodes on itself when viewed from an objective perspective. 

Matt,

Why pretend that it's only offensive line when it's been made clear there are THREE distinct aspects of QB support?   Why ignore receivers and coaching/scheme?