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Matthew Stafford

Started by Brooklyn Dave, February 10, 2025, 05:09:22 PM

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Quote from: MightyGiants on February 26, 2025, 10:32:57 AMIt depends on one's goals.  If the goal is to increase wins this season, at all costs, to save one's job, Stafford makes sense.  If you are talking about building the team the right way for sustained success, acquiring Stafford makes no sense what-so-ever.
I would argue that short term success is not even within our grasp.

Our OL and Stafford equals another QB trying to throw off his back.


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Quote from: MightyGiants on February 26, 2025, 10:32:57 AMIt depends on one's goals.  If the goal is to increase wins this season, at all costs, to save one's job, Stafford makes sense.  If you are talking about building the team the right way for sustained success, acquiring Stafford makes no sense what-so-ever.

They would have to really hate the QBs in this year's draft to go out and trade for Stafford.  I mean they'd have to be fairly certain drafting one of those guys would get them fired.  Because we all know that drafting the wrong QB will without question get them fired. 

Stafford is a proven commodity that along with a couple more pieces could be enough to get the Giants into the playoffs as soon as next year.  Though likely not good enough to beat a team like the Eagles when they get there.

So I GUESS, if you're Schoen and your tush is on the line you could talk yourself into getting Stafford for a reasonable price (say a 3rd rounder and some change) and kick the rookie QB can down to next year if you think there are something like 4 or 5 QBs next year that would be more enticing than any of them this year.  Personally, I do not think that and I would be pretty surprised if Schoen did. 

I think they can easily win more games with any of the big 3 QBs in the draft this season. Probably enough to save Schoen's job even if they don't make the playoffs.  That would be the prudent thing to do because if the QB drafted is good enough, between this offseason and next offseason when they have an absurd amount of cap space they can turn this team into a powerhouse fairly quickly.  But only if they get a decent QB.

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Quote from: Trench on February 26, 2025, 09:21:33 AMGo get Stafford!...we will make the playoffs with him.

My adult daughter in the past few years has become an enormous Giants fan and NFL fan to the point where she even does these fantasy team things....our Giants connection has made us even closer. I want Stafford simply because I wanna have something to root for in a meaningful game on Sundays. I didn't necessarily want Kurt Warner back in the day but it really helped Eli development and didn't set us back (albeit I don't know what we had up to get him).

The excitement for next season would be wonderful if we got Stafford. He is pro bowl caliber still.

Those are my reasons. Maybe not the smartest reasons but lastly I think having him would help instill a winning mindset and culture. That's huge.

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https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1894777721927897127




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Matthew Stafford's exploration of his market value the last few weeks has indeed attracted significant interest from teams, notably the Raiders and the Giants, per sources.
Teams are anticipating the Rams will now be driving up the asking price if they decide to move him.
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Brooklyn Dave

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on February 26, 2025, 10:44:33 AMI would argue that short term success is not even within our grasp.

Our OL and Stafford equals another QB trying to throw off his back.


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Our OL with a healthy Thomas and Eluemunor an improved Schmidtz ? Runyon , a FA right guard is not so terrible . Wew need depth however .

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Gman329

The most I'd give is a 3rd rounder this year and a 3rd next year......maybe sweeten the deal with Wandale Robinson, who might interest them as a Kupp replacement. 
Then the most I offer Stafford is two years, $90M.......AND I draft a QB, either this year or next, to sit and learn under a great mentor. 

If those terms don't get it done with either the Rams or Stafford, fine.  Walk away.  No harm in asking. 

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uconnjack8

Well the Giants interest in Stafford tells me that Schoen and Daboll have been told you need to do better next year or that's it. 

I still have to wonder if Stafford would even agree to play for the Giants at this point of his career. 

Truly hope whatever happens doesn't mortgage the future to have a couple of 7 or 8 win seasons and save some jobs.

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ralphpal1

How much better would the line be with Stafford
Now a 3rd this year and next year would be good
But i would be willing to make it a 2nd next year hoping it's a late second pick since we will be in the playoffs
Also do we want to ruin M.Nabers
Look at what the Jets are doing to their top WR
He wants to be traded

DaveBrown74

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 26, 2025, 10:32:57 AMIt depends on one's goals.  If the goal is to increase wins this season, at all costs, to save one's job, Stafford makes sense.  If you are talking about building the team the right way for sustained success, acquiring Stafford makes no sense what-so-ever.

100% agree with the above.

For the record, I don't have us as a playoff team if we sign Stafford. I certainly think we'll win more games than last year, but I don't think we'll be a winning team. With the schedule we have next year, I see us a 7-10 or 8-9 type team next season with Stafford.

I don't really get the point of that from a fan perspective. I totally get it if you're the one making the decision and your job depends on winning four or five more games next year. Frankly, if I were in Schoen's shoes, and that was the precise situation I was facing, I might very well do the same thing. But I would also know it was not the move to make if the goal was to make the team a true contender in as few years from now as possible.

MightyGiants

Quote from: Trench on February 26, 2025, 10:54:21 AMMy adult daughter in the past few years has become an enormous Giants fan and NFL fan to the point where she even does these fantasy team things....our Giants connection has made us even closer. I want Stafford simply because I wanna have something to root for in a meaningful game on Sundays. I didn't necessarily want Kurt Warner back in the day but it really helped Eli development and didn't set us back (albeit I don't know what we had up to get him).

The excitement for next season would be wonderful if we got Stafford. He is pro bowl caliber still.

Those are my reasons. Maybe not the smartest reasons but lastly I think having him would help instill a winning mindset and culture. That's huge.


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PSUBeirut

If we trade for Stafford and keep our #3 overall, I'd be ok with it.  Stafford + a potential new stud on defense (Carter/Hunter/Graham) would, I believe, put us strongly into playoff contention (provided we can, as always, shore up the OL).  We would then be in the market for a QB in next year's draft (and probably should try and pick a developmental prospect in this year's draft also).  That would be a net positive for the organization, in my opinion.