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Started by Brooklyn Dave, February 10, 2025, 05:09:22 PM

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Trench

#135
February 28, 2025, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: MrGap92 on February 28, 2025, 09:27:47 AMYes, 1, maybe 2 years of a QB past his prime and likely declining.

Not worth 50M per year.

How do we know he is likely declining?...he is a perennial pro bowl player.

If we sign him and make the playoffs and win a game or 2, would it be worth it?

MrGap92

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February 28, 2025, 10:19:33 AM Last Edit: February 28, 2025, 10:24:22 AM by MrGap92
Quote from: Trench on February 28, 2025, 09:50:53 AMHow do we know he is likely declining?...he is a perennial pro bowl player.

If we sign him and make the playoffs and win a game or 2, would it be worth it?

No, it wouldn't be worth it, cause in a year or two, we are back to where we are now at QB, with a draft pick once again out of the range of a potential top target guy, or blue chip player at another position

I don't want a flash in the pan playoff appearance that goes nowhere like 2022, I want to see a team built for the long term, to contend for champiosnhips and/or not be a frequent embarrassment every season.

An empty playoff showing does nothing for them.

Ed Vette

#137
February 28, 2025, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: Gmo11 on February 28, 2025, 09:02:40 AMI think ultimately he stays there, but to suggest that Stafford wouldn't make the Giants monumentally better immediately is a bit of a farce to me.  Depending on what it would cost in terms of picks of course.  Because if they were to say get Stafford draft Hunter at 3 and a OG at #34.  I mean...that's a pretty damn good team before we even start talking about free agency.  Where the Giants even with a Stafford contract would have a lot of space to add a couple more starters.

If it were me I wouldn't do it, because I would want to get a rookie in and build around him while he learns on the job.  But I wasn't told by my boss win immediately or we're firing you and all your friends.  So given that mandate from ownership I completely understand trying to get the QB that gave the Eagles their biggest scare in the playoffs last year. 

I think the Giants make the playoffs as a wild card with Stafford next year.  My concern would be the years after that how do they address the QB position when they are likely not going to be terrible enough to actually draft a guy to build a future with.  The team is good enough right now that this could be their last shot unless they openly tank and had Devito the keys.
That's why they need to draft a QB this year, unless they make a deal for a player like Trevor Lawrence. I would love to be able to improve this team with Stafford and draft Dart or Ward. I wouldn't give up the #3 pick for Stafford though because as you outlined it's a two year fix.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

AYM

#138
February 28, 2025, 10:24:37 AM
Quote from: Trench on February 28, 2025, 09:50:53 AMHow do we know he is likely declining?...he is a perennial pro bowl player.

If we sign him and make the playoffs and win a game or 2, would it be worth it?

He's 37. He will decline - you're rolling the dice on when it happens.

And no, we don't need a repeat of 2022. We want to actually compete.

Ed Vette

#139
February 28, 2025, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: MrGap92 on February 28, 2025, 10:19:33 AMNo, it wouldn't be worth it, cause in a year or two, we are back to where we are now at QB, with a draft pick once again out of the range of a potential top target guy, or blue chip player at another position

I don't want a flash in the pan playoff appearance that goes nowhere like 2022, I want to see a team built for the long term, to contend for champiosnhips and/or not be a frequent embarrassment every season.

An empty playoff showing does nothing for them.
Would you trade the 3 for the 22 and Stafford and then draft a QB? Might have to trade back up though. I'm not sure I would take that chance.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

katkavage

#140
February 28, 2025, 10:43:42 AM
Why would Stafford come to the Giants for a few extra million? To a bad team with a very volatile coaching and front office situation? At least Vegas has a newly hired winning coach. And they play inside. And not from LA his home.

MrGap92

#141
February 28, 2025, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 28, 2025, 10:27:49 AMWould you trade the 3 for the 22 and Stafford and then draft a QB? Might have to trade back up though. I'm not sure I would take that chance.

I would agree with you. Too risky.

I would hate to trade back myself, and hope that Dart is still there at 22. He might be, but if he isn't I am not taking Milroe, Howard, or McCord that high. Another trade up, and we are losing more capital.

Not saying I want Dart at 3 necessarily. If the Rams pick was 8-10 spots higher, it would be a more interesting decision for me.

Trench

#142
February 28, 2025, 01:31:13 PM
Stafford staying with Rams. As someone said it was smoke n mirrors to drive up his price I guess

MightyGiants

#143
February 28, 2025, 01:31:41 PM
SMART, TOUGH, DEPENDABLE

MightyGiants

#145
February 28, 2025, 01:32:26 PM
Never believe the fake insiders at BBI

SMART, TOUGH, DEPENDABLE

uconnjack8

#146
February 28, 2025, 01:34:43 PM
Rams were one of the 4 best teams in the NFC this year.  Why would they push Stafford out the door when they have drafted some really good young players?

MightyGiants

#147
February 28, 2025, 01:35:00 PM
SMART, TOUGH, DEPENDABLE

MightyGiants

#148
February 28, 2025, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on February 28, 2025, 01:34:43 PMRams were one of the 4 best teams in the NFC this year.  Why would they push Stafford out the door when they have drafted some really good young players?

They never were going to.  BBI and the reporters who pushed the nonsensical story have egg on their faces
SMART, TOUGH, DEPENDABLE

MrGap92

#149
February 28, 2025, 01:37:02 PM
I for one am relieved
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