New cap announced

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/DanGrazianoESPN/status/1892277228341285080


For reference, Over the Cap based it's numbers on an assumed salary cap of $272,500,000

[MightyGiants]

[MrGap92]

Was this amount/range about what was expected of it this year?

[MightyGiants]

Was this amount/range about what was expected of it this year?

it's a little bit higher than expected

[Jclayton92]

If Schoen pulled a Howie roseman and pushed contracts into the future, restructured, and added void years we could have almost a 100 million in cap and go for game changers like Trey Smith, DJ Reed, and more to go along with the new Qb they want to get.

With the cap going up so much each year, it makes sense to add void years, and play the game like other Gms are doing.

[MightyGiants]

If Schoen pulled a Howie roseman and pushed contracts into the future, restructured, and added void years we could have almost a 100 million in cap and go for game changers like Trey Smith, DJ Reed, and more to go along with the new Qb they want to get.

With the cap going up so much each year, it makes sense to add void years, and play the game like other Gms are doing.

Jess,

It's my opinion that how you play the cap depends on how good you are.  If you are good, then you keep borrowing from the future to keep on contending (as the Eagles have done).  Otherwise, you end up like the Saints who are mediocre but can't do anything about it because they are in constant cap hell.  The Cowboys are another example of a bad team hamstrung by the cap.


So if you are bad or mediocre, you should pay as you go so that you have money to keep your team together when you finally build a good team through the draft.


Other examples of trying to spend your way out of being bad:  2016 NY Giants and 2021 NY Giants

[Gmo11]

If Schoen pulled a Howie roseman and pushed contracts into the future, restructured, and added void years we could have almost a 100 million in cap and go for game changers like Trey Smith, DJ Reed, and more to go along with the new Qb they want to get.

With the cap going up so much each year, it makes sense to add void years, and play the game like other Gms are doing.

I read somewhere that 2029 is a big date because that's when the next rights deal comes up and that should lead to a boom of money to the NFL that in turn will make the cap go way up which is why smart GMs like Roseman are targeting that year or later for these void year contracts because they are thinking they'll be better positioned to deal with it at that time and it gives them the ability to field an all star roster now like the Eagles just did.  However, it doesn't make a ton of sense to play those games unless you have a franchise QB.  Those Eagles don't win the super bowl with Daniel Jones-level play at QB.  They might make the playoffs but they're not going much further than that no matter how good that roster otherwise might be in my opinion.

[MightyGiants]

[Painter]

It will be interesting to see what effect this increase in salary cap may have had on what has been a steady increase in the share of cap devoted to the QB position in particular. It does seem as though despite the change in the CBA in 2011 which set a wage scale for rookie deals, making it more affordable to draft a quarterback, all that has really happened is that more teams now think it to their benefit and are more disposed to Draft a QB in the First Round.

In any case, since 2011, there have been 47 QBs Drafted in Round 1, who in in a total of 250 starts have managed a less than break-even QBRec of 1098-1112-7. While in most cases, it could be considered to be too early to judge the future for what I believe are 29 of the 47 who are still on their first, it is a fact that only 11 of the other 28 were signed to a second deal by the team which Drafted them. That's just 39% (2 of 5). And so, that other 11 had their deals expire or were cut. If I'm not mistaken, Cam Newton is the only one of that cohort who was signed a second time.

Moreover, those 28 who no longer are on their Rookie deal, were the primary QB1s for the team that Drafted them for an average of just 3.4 years of what was typically not what we might call successful performance or return on investment.

As a Giants fan, I won't even begin to suggest what might be regarded as success. Rather I will simply report that those first mentioned 47 QBs have played in a total of 270 seasons in which in only 42 of such (15.6%) has the team which drafted the QB made the playoffs. While otherwise, during that same period of time on average 40% of all teams made the playoff which is a whole lot more than that roughly 16%. And oh yeah! of those 47, Patrick Mahomes has been the only one to have Lombardied.

I realize, of course, that it adds little to the topic except to remind us that change doesn't always mean better nor even in the slightest more predictable as has never been more obvious than it is today as we head into FA and the Draft. It is for that reason that I eschew the bashing and trashing of those who are trying to do the best they can in situations fraught with uncertainty as opposed to the average fan who in their place would be crapping in his pants.

Cheers!   

[spiderblue43]

I have no idea capologists...But would that possibly help with a Stafford contract cap hit??

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1892562116034306521

[MightyGiants]

I have no idea capologists...But would that possibly help with a Stafford contract cap hit??

It's complicated to explain but the short answer is not really.  The reality is that player contracts will go up reflective of this increase and QB salaries tend to rise quicker than most.

[Painter]

I have no idea capologists...But would that possibly help with a Stafford contract cap hit??

The increase in cap limit has nothing to do with Stafford's current "cap hit" per se. It should, however, give the Rams more flexibility in any sort of restructure they might feel would be beneficial in either keeping or trading him. If a trade is the objective, it would be the team on the other end which would decide and more likely based on its cap position. 

The availability of more money while always good for the players can sometimes become a curse for the GM. No, I'm not talking about Joe Schoen, or anyone in particular.

Cheers!

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/RossTuckerPod/status/1892915286812041319

[Jolly Blue Giant]

Interesting article on Giants' cap position https://gmenhq.com/new-york-giants-updated-2025-cap-space-after-unexpected-surge-stuns-nfl?sc=be165671da3b347e2b57f31b3de62ada4335dd4eb041bc409f5188d150192a90